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Guys, just to add something you might not realize or have not read Alexandres post well:
His neuro did suspect ALS and sent him to specialist.
BarryG: He stated he does not want to diagnose, only oppinions from you how fast thigs went for you with ALS.

The most sad thing: He emailed me, saying he has a lot of questions but is affraid to post here as they really hurt him. I encouraged him to ask here, reminding him you are good people who knows how it feels like. And again, altough he has not been asking to diagnose him, just to discuss progression of things, you make fun of him.

I know what ALS spec said to him yesterday but I promised him I would not post it as he does not want to have anything common with this place anymore. But it was NO good news.
 
Guys, just to add something you might not realize or have not read Alexandres post well:
His neuro did suspect ALS and sent him to specialist.
BarryG: He stated he does not want to diagnose, only oppinions from you how fast thigs went for you with ALS.

The most sad thing: He emailed me, saying he has a lot of questions but is affraid to post here as they really hurt him. I encouraged him to ask here, reminding him you are good people who knows how it feels like. And again, altough he has not been asking to diagnose him, just to discuss progression of things, you make fun of him.

I know what ALS spec said to him yesterday but I promised him I would not post it as he does not want to have anything common with this place anymore. But it was NO good news.

Well if he has a true diagnoses of ALS with a dirty EMG and bad nerve path test i'm sure he will be welcomed, but.....................
 
Guys, just to add something you might not realize or have not read Alexandres post well:
His neuro did suspect ALS and sent him to specialist.
BarryG: He stated he does not want to diagnose, only oppinions from you how fast thigs went for you with ALS.

The most sad thing: He emailed me, saying he has a lot of questions but is affraid to post here as they really hurt him. I encouraged him to ask here, reminding him you are good people who knows how it feels like. And again, altough he has not been asking to diagnose him, just to discuss progression of things, you make fun of him.

blizna,

As I said in my response to Alexandre earlier in this thread, there is no point to discussing rates of progression with Alexandre until he has an ALS diagnosis in hand. Why? Because there are several conditions that mimic ALS and progress much differently than ALS. Some of them are even treatable, which makes the question of progression rate a moot point.

Discussing hypothetical situations with someone who won't listen and who picks and chooses what he can twist to feed his preconceived notions is extremely frustrating for us and simply not worth the effort that it takes to respond. You can push good people too far, and I think Alexandre has done that over the past year.

Alexandre is where he needs to be right now -- seeing doctors who have the skills to determine what is wrong with him. When he has a diagnosis in hand, then he'll be able to find the support resources that he needs. Internet support resources should be secondary to live and local physically present people, such as the doctors who are treating him. That's who he should be addressing his questions to at this point, not us. They can give him answers. All we can give him is guesses.
 
If he's going to be upset by a few possibly odd comments then he'll really be screwed if he does ever get an ALS diagnosis. Lord knows you need a sense of humor with this disease.

AL.
 
I do understand that some people are definitely persistant with their irrational claims...we all know all too well that life is short...if it bothers anyone avoid the section or the individual posts as it is not worth getting worked up over. The one's that are truly irrational will then not get the attention they crave and will go away on their own. The one's that actually have something wrong, whether it is ALS or some other ailment will not feel as though they have been shunned or mocked which would obviously add to their anxiety and stress.
 
I'm heading over to the "Forum Pub". Anyone want to join me? Barry, loved it!
 
Omg this section made me laugh hysterically and Al is so right to say that you need some sort of sense of humor to deal with ALS as a patient and a caregiver.

Barry you are freakin trip and a half. Blizna I think you are an enabler and a pseudo medical antagonist but thats just my opinion.

As others have said, when or even if Alexandre gets his diagnosis, he will be welcomed here to talk about his progression but just as I have multiplex I cannot compare my progression with that of an ALS patient. I really cant even compare mine to Wrights multiplex being I have 3 limbs involved whereas his would be different only having one limb affected.

I am sorry if PALS comments offend those who do not have ALS but then again, they DO NOT have ALS and have the right to say what they think or feel. It is their wisdom and the intuition of their emotions we must respect and others who do not have ALS must respect or simply click close on the window to this forum, because it is theirs.

It P's me off when people think that they have a right to be here when the only people that belong here are PALS we are welcomed guest. I just wished the moderators would get rid of all the crap starters and those who spread misinformation as to envoke fears and empty rationale and a failed attempt at medical competence.

Have a good night all and I love you PALS yall are a trip ;)
 
Cripes, if we got rid of the whacko's there'd only be 10 of us here. lol.

AL.
 
As one who has gone 2 years without a neurological diagnosis, but has progressively worsening symptoms, AND neurologists who repeat the EMG's and send you to ALS specialists--what conclusion are we to come to? I don't tell my doctor what to do....if during one visit, it doesn't look like ALS, then GREAT...when I come back things have changed, then...it's natural to add to your questions and increase your own fear. I :cry:CAN'T BELIEVE how insensitive some of you are to those of us who are suffering without knowing why!:cry:
 
To me, the way this thread progressed is disturbing on several levels. The bottom line is that the forum is a support group, here to offer support. Just because we don't have the responsibility or ability to diagnose, that does not give us license to make light of another's fears.

Its been said more eloquently before, but, IMO if you don't have something constructive to say, just skip over it and go on to the next thread.

AND if Al, and Wright, and Trfogey, and Sadiemae, and... and... and... have all taken the time to give you honest answers, DON'T turn around and make a new post or thread, asking the same @#$%* thing, just worded somewhat differently!

This forum within the main forum is designated for those who haven't a ALS diagnosis to ask questions.
Just as the forum is here to ask questions, it is also, IMPORTANTLY here for the one to asks, to actually listen to the answers offered.

It is a frustrating situation for members who take the time to offer advise, only to have it repeatedly disregarded.

Yes, there are a lot of crazies out there, they probably populate all of the disease forums. My most recent post on this topic was to make the new thread titled "support forums." I started it in the effort to help stave off the overload of worried newcomers that appear annually each holiday season. And, no, "crazies' is not a respectful designation for those who are suffering from anxiety, and anxiety only. But, we do get oh so tired of the SAME questions over and over and over by this sort, that hopefully my use of the word will be forgiven.

For those who are not hypochondriacs, and truly are dealing with a problem that is neuomuscular, the very LAST thing they need, is to be told they should be happy. Of course they should be happy, just like those with ALS should be happy that they don't have cancer too (unless they do) or MS too (unless they do). The unknown is hard to deal with.


There are more than one or two PALS who have confided in me that they were hesitant to get more involved in the forum because of how their earlier queries were received before they actually had a diagnosis.

And, I see the contradiction that I, as well as others are guilty of. We try to reassure newcomers that ALS doesn't hit you suddenly, its gradual. But, on the other hand, we tend to tell everyone that if you can do "____" (you fill in the blank ~ walk with no problem, work with you hands, swallow, talk clearly, etc etc) then you aren't experiencing true weakness or symptoms of ALS so don't worry, be happy. However, the truth for most is that symptoms do come on gradually. So, what kind of message are we sending out? Hopefully its not that we think every undiagnosed poster should not bother mentioning what worries them until their problems are the point of not functioning.

I can tell you that from a personal standpoint, I know full well how hard it is to not know what's wrong. I did not really know much about, or think about motor neuron diseases. I was convinced, as were my doctors at first, that I suffered from an autoimmune condition. When my first EMG came back bad, I was CLUELESS! I felt vindicated that finally something showed up that explained my voice problems. I said to my loved ones, "See, the doctor says I have active and chronic denervation and reinnervation, so whatever "it" is, its been happening over and over for a while now. (i.e. I'm NOT crazy afterall). None of my doctors told me the ramifications at first, and I was actually happy, because I thought it meant we were at the end of a long search, and treatment was right around the corner. (wrong!)

I hope Alexandre got some good news at his neuro appointment, and that he comes back to share this.
 
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Rose,

As always you are right :) I need to get off the forum for awhile being I'm getting jaded and emotionally detached due to redundancy. Thank you Rose. And I'll be back when I feel my attitude has been adjusted. :)

Love,
Kelly
 
Once again Rose posts some well thought out words of support to the un diagnosed and a gentle reminder to some of us long timers to think before we hit post reply. You're a sweatheart girl.

AL.
 
hi all . . .to a certain extent i cant help feeling that if part of the forum is gonna be called "is this als . . Do i have Als " then you gotta expect people that post here to be non diagnosed . . And frightened . Alexandre is obviously both of these . . And i totally feel for his anxiety . Barry . G . . . It would a massive shame if you decide not to come to this part of the forum because your advice is always so good and valuable and you are not "idiotic " . . I guess i am one of the "whackos" at the moment but the" he s baaack" made me laugh too and if anyone were to be truly offended by it then my advice to them is lighten up . . . Big hug to all . . Alex
 
After an 8-month workup, my condition was diagnosed as ALS in Nov., 2010, but only after my neurologist determined that the second EMG determined that three limbs were involved. Initially I noticed a weakness in my neck and shoulders and that I was tending to bend over more and more while walking. I am 80 so thought that age was catching up with me. The condition was worsening so rapidly that I became concerned. I was referred from one specialist to another, crawing one blank after another, until my neurologist came up up with the ALS diagnosis. I have just started using a walker to help me walk upright. The weakness in my arms has increased so that I can lift about a third to a half of what I could a year ago. Fine motor skills such as buttoning shirts, turning keys, etc., are becoming more and more difficult. I have minimal twitching but more cramping in my legs. I got a second opinion from another neurologist but she never gave me an EMG and was reluctant to call my problem ALS. Continue to be a squeaky wheel. My physician assistant daughter has been that for me and kept pushing me to get different tests until we got a solution. --Gene B
 
I am happy that I was not the only one with the feeling that newcomers have quite hard times here, especially if they do not have diagnosis but symptoms, like Alexandre.
I think some of you just did not read his entire post (reading his neurologist did suspect ALS and sent him to ALS specialiast) and react just because it was "Alexandre, who is crazy but have nothing to worry about".
He was not upset, merely hurt. I think the worst thing that can happen to everyone is to come somewhere, express your fears and feelings only to be laughed and mugged.
 
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