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All we have is today.

It may be 'the beginning of the end' but every day you have is what you have. If you can keep your PALS comfortable, if your PALS can feel your love, then it's a good day regardless of how much they sleep or how little they eat.

But in the quiet moments we are left constantly wondering these things because our lives are so totally out of control and it would be a comfort to know something, to count on something, even if it is when and how the end will come.

The unpredictability of how ALS plays out is so difficult. Sue's husband shows how low they can go and then bounce back, so we just never know really.

If he is comfortable, just love him and be grateful for that xxx
 
sunandsea, sorry I am late in chiming in. I understand your concern and confusion. Pneumonia changes things dramatically. Your original post did not mention pneumonia; I'm assuming your husband was diagnosed a few days later & I'm hoping he is doing better now with the course of antibiotics?

..."pneumonia is a lung infection in which the inflammatory response of the lung tissue results in a build-up of fluid -- pus, basically -- that fills up some of the alveoli. What that means for those alveoli is that they can no longer participate in getting oxygen into your blood... they can't fill up with air because they're already filled up with fluid. So, these alveoli are basically "off-line", and overall this results in a decrease in the lungs' ability to oxygenate the blood."
(https:/ www.quora dot com/What-are-the-effects-of-pneumonia-on-the-respiratory-system)

As both Laurie & Tillie mention, a pulmonologist with ALS experience may decide that low dose, supplemental oxygen may be needed for a short period of time, but this needs to be monitored by arterial blood gas draws (not fun for the patient) and can't be effectively monitored with the finger tip pulse oximeter.

....."Some situations may require administering oxygen, such as pneumonia due to infection or aspiration. If this occurs in patients with respiratory muscle weakness and hypoventilation, then it is important to provide both assisted ventilation and supplemental oxygen, and use ABGs to monitor them". And, ..."If oxygen is being administered, one cannot use noninvasive oximetry to tell whether enough assisted ventilation is being provided; repeated arterial blood gas specimens (ABGs) would be needed".
(http:// gbppa dot org/oxygen.htm)

As I'm sure you know, in ALS it is the delivery system/muscles of inspiration or hypoventilation that is the primary reason the PALS is not getting enough oxygen. Other co-morbidities such as COPD, OSA (obstructive sleep apnea) complicate matters further. Administering oxygen does not provide assistance to the weakening respiratory muscles.

"In hypercapnic respiratory failure due to hypoventilation, the SaO2 falls due to the rise of the CO2. The alveoli in the lungs (tiny gas exchange units) should clear most of the CO2 out with each breath. Instead, with hypoventilation, CO2 accumulates and thus there is decreased room in the alveoli for oxygen. When mechanical ventilation using room air is provided, it lowers the CO2 in the alveoli, corrects the SaO2 and rests the respiratory muscles. The ventilator should be adjusted to achieve a normal SaO2, on room air. If oxygen is being administered, one cannot use noninvasive oximetry to tell whether enough assisted ventilation is being provided; repeated arterial blood gas specimens (ABGs) would be needed." (http://gbppa dot org/oxygen.htm)

Another consideration is that "room" air is composed of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and 1% trace gases. When the concentration of one gas is increased, it will lower the concentration of others. Nitrogen is also responsible for secretion of a surfactant that prevents collapse of the alveoli with expiration. Oxygen is a drug, and must be treated/monitored as such. O2 therapy provided to a person with ALS is rarely used due to CO2 retention and the delicate balance of nitrogen to oxygen.

I am not a doctor, nor a respiratory therapist; this is just research from the web I thought I would pass on.

Chally, if your reading this as well, what is the elevation where you live? Just wondering if you live at a high elevation? Early on after diagnosis, I almost, inadvertently killed my husband by taking him to the Onizuka Visitor Center @ Mauna Kea (Big Island, HI) which is at 9,200 ft. We were there for night sky observation and access to their telescopes. I did not yet know it, but in addition to early stage ALS respiratory suppression, he was also developing a large pulmonary embolism! I had not yet processed the depth of his respiratory problems. Anyway, high elevations also affect your oxygen saturation levels, which is why I ask (but I also assume your pulmonologist would have factored that in as well?).
 
Sunandsea, you probably already know this, but I think the best we can hope from hospice personnel is...not enough. The dozen nurses that we had during Krissy's final two weeks knew nothing of ALS, and weren't inclined to admit it until I asked point-blank, "Have you ever cared for an ALS patient who was completely paralyzed?" Once we had established that, they were willing to be trained. So I remained the actual caregiver 24/7, but at least I had an adult in the room so I could take a nap. One of our nurses had worked administration during her entire career!

The nurses seemed to think it was their job to ensure the hospice doctor was never bothered. When I managed to actually speak with him, I was careful to ensure he understood the patient's situation.
 
Thanks buckhorn for this info very clear and useful.
What is " large pulmonary embolism " ?
Chally
 
Oh yeah my pulinary dr " dr googled " ALS before I came in the room. Go figure. Thanks mike I can relate.
 
Hi Chally. A pulmonary embolism is a DVT (deep vein thrombosis) or blood clot that travels to the lung(s) and gets stuck there. In my husband's case, he developed a very large, "saddle" pulmonary embolism which is a blood clot that straddles the main pulmonary arterial trunk where it branches to the left & right lungs. Saddle PE's have a very high mortality rate; my husband was fortunate to have survived it.
 
We don't even have a pulmonologist as a part of our ALS team. We sought the advice of one last July when I took my husband to the emergency department for what I was certain was respiratory insufficiency (he was diagnosed with respiratory failure). After that we had a follow up with an pulmonary specialist and lots of tests, and also got a Trilogy very quickly. While this pulmonologist seemed quite knowledgeable regarding ALS, he could not believe or accept that with a diagnosis of ALS no sleep study was required to get the Trilogy.

sunandsea, as mentioned, we have no pulmonologist on our team and have not seen one since last July. However, the respiratory therapist is very knowledgeable, proactive and has many years experience working with ALS patients in the Tri-State area of PA-NJ-NY. We haven't felt compelled to seek any further follow up with a pulmonologist. I'm wondering is it unusual to not have a pulmonologist on our ALS team?
 
My husband doesn't see a pulmonogist at clinic either. They have a good respiratory therapist and there is a pulmo who consults with the team. But my PALS only saw a pulmo right after diagnosis who told him he should lose weight to make his breathing easier. (His FVC was at 66% at that time.) After that experience, I like the fact that all info to and from the pulmo is filtered through the ALS doctor.

Buckhorn, that was a lot of good info you pulled together in one place. Thank you!
 
Thank you, all, for the responses and input. Buckhorn, that was amazing and helpful. Thanks so much!
I'm not sure if it is unusual to not have a pulmonologist at clinic. We had always had one until recently.
I'm falling asleep in my chair here so will need to write more later. It's been a sad week/day and the hospice nurse and doctor came today. The news was grim and I'm still coming to terms with it. I'll write more soon.
Thanks, everyone
 
It's been a sad week/day and the hospice nurse and doctor came today. The news was grim and I'm still coming to terms with it.

Advice to those who come here with new diagnoses is often to be kind to themselves as they come to terms with what it means to them...that's still good advice when big changes come. I'm so sorry...bad news just sucks. Hope you're being gentle with yourself. Hugs are going out to you.
 
Sunandsea, I'm thinking of you and I'm sorry it's been such a rough week. Hope tomorrow is a better day.
-Erika
 
Many hugs sunandsea, we are with you xxx
 
Thinking of you sunandsea, and wishing you strength.
 
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