How bad does it need to be before you would consider ending it?

[pops66now]

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die.


According to the Bible, suicide is not what determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven. If an unsaved person commits suicide, he has done nothing but “expedite” his journey to hell. However, that person who committed suicide will ultimately be in hell for rejecting salvation through Christ, not because he committed suicide. What does the Bible say about a Christian who commits suicide? The Bible teaches that from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). If no “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing,” then not even suicide can separate a Christian from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, that would still be a sin covered by the blood of Christ.
GOD Bless Wayne

 

[BarryG]

Since we are talking religion and suicide it looks like all of the major ones believe suicide to be a sin. I knew there was a reason I dropped out of Sunday school.

Religious views on suicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[joelc]

1Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

What do you think of this verse Wayne?

 

[landofsmiles]

Bit fed up with the amount of Bible talk on this forum to be honest. We are not all Christians here and I can't see what religion has to do with suffering from ALS. If the Bible works for you good for you but there's just too much talk of it on here IMO. Probably stirred up a hornets nest now.

 

[Al]

They were talking about suicide which always brings out the religion angle on it. Just like death and taxes, always happens. No one's twisting your arm making you read the thread. Find a thread more to your liking. There's lots.

AL.

 

[TedH5]

landofsmiles...I know you are suffering but there are many Christians on here and many of us find peace and comfort from turning to God and the Bible. No one is telling you how to feel or what to think, just expressing their opinions. Whenever death is a topic, religion is certainly an appropos topic. I wish you peace and comfort.

 

[abbas child]

Land of smiles, as I understand it, this thread can be locked by you at any time because you started the thread.
Best wishes,
Ann

 

[RoadKill]

Condemnation disguised as piety.

< s i g h >

If all the Christians who have told me what to think and do were to help me with the things I can no longer do, I would not be perusing websites like final exit network dot org.

 

[TedH5]

Roadkill, I am sorry if anything I have said or even if anything anyone on this forum has said to has offended you. Believe me I am not condeming or judging you. My and I believe the majority of people on this forum's intention is to find the right words to help provide you some comfort. I know they are just that, words and not actions. Certainly I am not in the same position as you and could never pretend to undesrtand how you are feeling and when you have this disease there is no right or wrong emotion. Most of the people on here are dealing with beinga PALS or CALS and therfore are not in a position to provide you the support you need. I still urge you to try and reach out to some local charities or Churches.

Once again I am sorry for your situation and your sufferring and while I know that it does not provide you with the help you need I will continue to pray that you find comfort, peace and most importantly the assistance that you need.

Please keep the faith, if nothing else know that you have numerous people on this forum praying and pulling for you.

 

[abbas child]

Roadkill, I am sorry. Your situation with lack of help is awful, and I cannot imagine being in your shoes. I am also sorry if (and I do take your words as truth) you have not been helped by Christians. I agree that we are guilty of not representing the Lord well. He would have helped you when He walked the earth, and never would have shrunk back from washing you.

I wish you peace.
Ann

 

[TedH5]

Roadkill - I am sure you have already attempted contacting these people below but if not please consider reaching out to them. I have no idea if they will help or not but I hope they do and it is at least worth a shot.

Teri R. Clayton, LCSW-C, Patient & Family Services Coordinator
Greater Baltimore & Eastern Shore
[email protected]

Robin Swope, LCSW, Patient & Family Services Clinical Director and
Coordinator for Western & Central Maryland
[email protected]

Mary Katherine Theis, LCSW-C, Patient & Services Coorindator
Prince Georges County & Southern Maryland
[email protected]

 

[rose]

Let me start out by saying that I've been having computer problems and have not been able to follow posts. I don't know how long this session will last before I'm without it again. (am sending back to Dell for repair, probably this weekend) Anyway, for those of you who have posted on other threads, please don't feel slighted if I don't get to yours, my time is limited and I've missed much.

Land of Smiles,

We had a CALS who's hubby, (her PALS) did choose to take his own life. I'm hesitant to put her name within this thread, as I just don't know if its the right thing to do. But, if you're interested in communicating with someone who has experienced the loss of a loved one, who chose not to continue on, and maybe learn a little about how that choice affected those left behind, send me a message, and when I'm back with better use of the internet, I will provide you with her user name.

Roadkill,

Obviously you're having a miserable time trying to cope on your own. However, I would like to point out that Stu with the Guardian Angels tried very hard to help you. Also, in the past, I'd offered on multiple occasions to see if there was anything I could do, if only to lend support, as we live quite close to one another. You never even acknowledged my offers, neither to accept or decline. Maybe, its that part of your need is to have help from people you've already placed value on in your life, before ALS entered. That is understandable (needing validation), but it is still unfair to say that no one has tried to be there for you. At this point, my best advise is that attitude makes the difference in how we perceive our lives. Perhaps, although your finances are limited, one option would be to get a bidet seat toilet installed. There is a dealer in your area who carries the Toto brand, but there are other manufacturers as well. If you do a search on this website, you can learn about forum members who have used them, and the pros and cons for some models. If you had a bidet toilet, it would I'm sure help you feel better about yourself, even if you're not having someone in to help you with your hygiene. I would urge you to try counselling to see if you can feel better about your life circumstances.

 

[Madison1943]

What the heck does religion have to do with it? My body hurts everywhere. I can't turn my head, lean over in my wheelchair to pick up anything, get up at night to pee, etc. I don't want to go on when I can't live by myself. What does that have to do with your precious beliefs? I'm not asking for approval. Are your beliefs so shaky you need everybody to share them? This isn't Sunday school. We're all grownups. can't we act like it and give room and respect for all opinions?

thanks so much,
Carol

 

[rose]

Land of Smiles,

If you feel that this thread has served its usefulness to you, or do not like the tangent it has taken, as Ann said, you can close it.

To lock a thread, click on "Reply to Thread", (not the quick reply) and I guess you will have to enter some sort of text, then, look way down at the bottom, below most of the options, there is a box you can check if you wish to close/lock the thread to further posts.

 

[Sequoia]

Dear Road kill, I am sorry for your circumstances, and more sorry if you have received hate mail from anyone who differs in opinion to your own or others. I second what Ann says above, that to be a christain means loving not in just words, but where the rubber hits the road. One of my favorite scriptures is when Jesus tells the story of the good Samaritan. All the religious of his day walk by a beaten up man lying hald dead on the side of the road. The ones in long religious garb cross the street to avoid the man, so that they wont become "unclean". But the good samaritan, who was considered a"heathens and outcasts", went right to the dying man, cleaned and dressed his wounds, pick him up and placed him on his donkey and took him to an Inn where he cared for the man and all of his needs. That is what it means to be a christian. We all fail at this because of selfishmess or self righteousness. My brother, if I could I would come right over and help you in any way I could. Right now I am facing poverty myself on SSI, but I would share with you the little I have. I want you to know that we who are christians struggle to walk the walk, and stumble and fall down when we use our beliefs to judge others. My heart goes out to you, and if there is anything I can do to help, I am here for you. I do not have to talk about my faith, but live it. I in no way feel like I am better than anyone else, just a struggling human being. But I care about you.