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It's been two months since I've had weakness in my fingers that hasnt gotten any better. I have dents on my outside part of the thumb and between the index finger and thumb. Those are my weakest on both sides. Thumbs feel very stiff, the tendons are popping, cracking and have no muscle tone and index finger have tremors when I use them. It's difficult when pushing down a button, like there's no support on the hinges, trouble typing etc. I believe it's spreading towards my other fingers now. I'm also experiencing pain in different toes on my right and left foot, also clear atrophy on both feet. They look boney like my hands, mind you I weight 180lbs. Also get Charlie horse on my left hamstring for the past year when I use that muscle. I still twitch on my limbs, as well have limb jerks at times. I've had 2 clean emgs at New York Pres. Has anyone experienced anything similar or maybe someone they know. I know everyone here is very knowledgable and I have the upmost respect for you guys, I hope I'm not bothering anyone, nor trying to repeat myself. Just scared my fingers are becoming more weak.
 
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Can anyone explain why this doesn't sound like ALS or mnd? I'm confused on how people say ALS doesn't start with pain, the way my situation started. But what about the weakness in my fingers, the Charlie horse on my hamstring, the twitches and body jerks on my limb.
 
Twitching means nothing, as I'm sure you have been told repeatedly.
Pain is not a symptom, and in my ALS was due to cramps. Nothing confusing about it. ALS effects the MOTOR nerves NOT the SENSORY nerves.

Clean EMGs mean your problem is something else.

Go work with your doctor.
 
Thanks for replying Greg. I understand the sensory part. I do have cramps on my hamstring for over a year now. What about that? You did mention cramps. Or my weak fingers where I have clear atrophy. This doesn't point to mnd? How, why? The weakness is a major concern
 
I have clear WEAkNESS! How is that nothing new. I'm struggling because of my fingers. WEAKNESS
 
You had weakness in your original thread. THAT'S how.

You want real weakness? I'm typing this with ONE FINGER because that's all that work.

You can re-hash this as many times as you want and it will still not sound like ALS.

You need to work with your doctor. We can't help you.
 
Vera-

It's not strangers on the internet you should be bringing this to. Members of this forum are not able to help you gain a diagnosis. We can not examine you, nor can we address your complex medical problems in any way that would actually provide real help.

If you are not satisfied with what your doctor is telling you, see another one. It's clear you are struggling, but you are asking people who are dealing with complex medical problems themselves, and those caring for loved ones, to diagnose you. That simply is not possible. I ask you to take a step back and examine what your purpose is here, and what you are expecting people here to do for you that a real doctor, in person, cannot.

best wishes
 
Greg I'm typing with my middle finger on my mobile phone as my thumb feels stiff, and my index finger is just as weak. Prickling sensation on my thumbs 24/7. This is very concerning. And shiftkicker I completely understand, not trying to look for a diagnoses here. Trying to see if someone has experienced it is going through something similar, that's all
 
This is not a 'networking' forum where people gather to discuss their various ails after having been cleared of ALS.

You may not mean to be disrespectful but you are being [profoundly] disrespectful nonetheless. There are countless other websites better suited to meet your needs, please go find one.
 
I apologize Lixen. I never meant to disrespect anyone on this forum. Ill leave
 
Vera, I’ll respond to your message here so everyone can understand, and so anyone can correct me if I’m wrong.

A lot of people have exactly what you’re experiencing. Over several years on this site, I’ve seen descriptions very similar to yours quite often. I know it is very painful, stressful, and maybe even terrifying to go through what is happening to you.

During my wife’s very short life with ALS, I learned a few things about it (she was an experienced medical doctor, and we had many doctor friends). I learn a lot from others on this site, and I read a lot, too. I am certainly NOT the smartest person on this website, though. I just know enough to say that you need to be addressing your concerns to a GP medical doctor, and not to an ALS community. Here’s why:

The pain tells us about the nervous system involved. We have several different nerve systems that do different things. The jumble of spaghetti up top forms our Central Nervous System, and much of that is our mind. Other nerves of different types either transmit feelings from our flesh to our brain, or transmit orders from our brains to the muscles. The peripheral nervous system mostly takes inputs from our periphery, feet, hands and such, and transmits them to our brains where our brain interprets those inputs as pain, cold, hot, numb or tingling, etc. The Voluntary Motor Nervous system, however, carries orders from the intention center of the brain down to the big muscles, mainly in the limbs, and tells our muscles to contract so we can walk or squeeze off a fart on purpose.

If you feel a painful sensation, that’s a feeling nerve telling you something’s wrong. As a result, sometimes, the brain will decide “if it hurts, I’m not gonna make it move much” and so our brains tell the muscles to be weak and don’t try too hard, ‘cuz I don’t want to hurt. Thus, a painful peripheral nerve can cause weakness. Some diabetics get really painful peripheral nerves.

But in ALS, it’s a very different kind of weakness. ALS destroys Voluntary Muscle Nerves in the brain. These nerves are supposed to transmit the “go” signal to the muscle, causing it to contract. But since the nerve is destroyed at the brain connection, your muscle just doesn’t get the message. It doesn’t go. It’s weak. Note that there is no pain, tingling or any other feeling. The muscle just lays there, limp and useless. It can’t come back later. It will never regain strength. Most of all, it doesn’t hurt or feel tired, burning, or exhausted. It doesn’t feel weak. It just won’t go.
So you definitely have a problem, but it isn’t ALS. In fact, you have two serious problems.

Secondly, the Central Nervous System makes us react to the inputs we see, hear, smell, taste and feel.

The CNS will reinforce or weaken connections in the brain because of many things: diet, meds, pressure from tumors, lack of oxygen from dead spots called strokes, or just getting the crap beat out of your at recess can force your CNS to reinforce or weaken connections and so change your instinctive reactions or change your habits or attitude, etc. The mind can make you startle, lift a car off a kid, or make you freeze in panic when you see an elevator.

Atrophy has many causes, too. In ALS, once a muscle has been lying limp and useless for some weeks or months a muscle will lose its tone, lay flat instead of round, and reduce its size. There are other problems besides ALS that cause atrophy.

All in all, your doctors (and us) are pretty well convinced that the problems you’re having do not relate to ALS. You do have pain and muscle control problems that are not ALS, and you also have brain problem that I would get fixed. That problem is severe anxiety. It is preventing you from thinking rationally without knowing it. It seems that you just can’t let go of worrying about ALS.

Respectfully, you should stop wasting your time here. Every minute you’re on this website, you’re reinforcing your CNS to think about ALS, and that ain’t good.
 
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I know you guys are prob going to get upset. I just don't see how this points else where. Just look how boney my hands look. I'm struggling with my fingers, mainly my thumbs and index and it's spreading. Like Nikki J said, my thumbs throb all the time my muscle are so weak they can't support the bone. My small muscles are going in my fingers. I'm not looking for a diagnoses here! But why doesn't this sound or look like ALS? Can someone please look at the pictures of my hands?
 
You got clean EMGs, plural at that. If you're seeing specialists where they run actual tests that yield results that say it can't be this, be grateful for that miracle. You were given a very thoughtful response on the CNS and that your issues could be the result of several other causes. The more potential causes eliminated, the closer your doctors get to zeroing in on the real problem.
 
You are quoting me COMPLETELY out of context and rewriting your history. You reported STARTING with pain and developing weakness months later. I told you that pain could happen after weakness because of muscles not being able to support the bones. Pain was reportedly your first symptom. Even if you are clinically weak now you can't use that now to support your argument that you have ALS symptoms. Please work with your doctors.
 
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