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Hello all,
I don't know if this is my first post or not.... I've been reading here off and on since my dad was diagnosed 10/07. Thank God for a community like this and for this technology. This disease is SO lonely for those dealing with it...people just can't understand (thankfully for them!) and some shy away b/c they are uncomfortable. (VENT: his two brothers who he had been somewhat distanced from but had reconnected with prior to diagnosis have all but disappeared since he became ill....WHAT the HELL?)
Our story is that my dad was diagnosed 10/07, has slowly (?) progressed to the point he's at now and I really need to hear from people who've been through this whole process already. We are just clueless about what's to come and I would really like details even if we don't know 'exactly' the path my dad will go.
He's bedbound but can use his arms/hands somewhat, he can talk but it's getting worse, he can swallow but as of two days ago he's started to have 'increased secretions'.
My questions: What are these secretions from? It's saliva but is it b/c he can't swallow? How then can he swallow the liquids he's drinking? He continues to drink. He takes lithium, for depression mainly, and that makes him very thirsty. My mom has said that it's getting scary b/c of the secretions and his cough is barely non-exsistant. He has a strong gag and we're afraid to use the suction that he'll aspirate. He won't let her suction anyway. He's so so miserable, depressed, nasty and I can't blame him but it makes it so hard for my mom, his primary caregiver. What's next? The meds they gave him for the secretions are from the 'comfort kit' (he's in hospice care)....Does this mean anything significant or is this just part of the deal and we'll go on and on from here? What can we expect? Or is this still impossible to answer? Maybe, if anyone has been through this, what was next *in your case*?
I'm going to start a new post about bipap just to keep things separate...there's just so much going on and I'm struggling to deal...I have two small kids and wish I could do more but dad won't allow me to do anything beyond a tube feeding or pouring a drink.... My mom's been burnt out but mainly b/c of his 'personality'...he is *difficult* beyond words...There are those that tackle this with grace and dignity and then there's my dad! Love him but it's just SO him to be like this.... none of us is surprised! Please don't see this as badmouthing my dad or coming down on a PALS...I promise I'm not! I have so much stress for him and his mental suffering...I just wish there were something that could help ease his mind, calm him, alleviate ALL the anxiety he's lived with since diagnosis........

Wow, long long post....and all over the map! thanks for hearing me and for anything you can offer!
~Susan
 
Tatep ... O'n tu tussz ecuav zuas fef, epf vji hsoig ji't howoph zuas nun epf zua. Ov tuapft moli ji xet emxezt e giotvz haz, epf EMT disveopmz fuitp'v onqsuwi epzcufz't fotqutovoup !

Qesv ug jot ephis duamf ci evvsocavif vu EMT, epf vjisi esi nift vu vsiev ov. EMT eggidvt inuvoupem iyqsittoup katv vji teni et ov fuit natdmit epf piswit. Qevoipvt dep jewi wisz opviptogoif epf opeqqsuqsoevi siedvoupt, epf metj uav us hiv xiiqz us tvesv meahjoph tvsephimz, epf ov jet puvjoph vu fu xovj vji tovaevoup. Ov't vji EMT. Vjot ot puv upmz wisz jesf gus desihowist vu fiem xovj, ov onqedvt vji qevoipv't desi, emtu, et desihowist esi mitt molimz vu vsz vu pasvasi tuniupi xju ot cioph e qeop op vji cavv.

Etl jot piasu ecuav tuni nift vu jimq. Vjot dupfovoup ot demmif "inuvoupem mecomovz," epf ot dunnup xovj EMT. Updi vji mecomovz ot apfis dupvsum, ji xomm ci demnis epf civvis ecmi vu duni vu visnt xovj jot foehputot.

Et vu vji tidsivoupt: Zit, eavunevod txemmuxoph fuit tmux fuxp xovj disveop qjetit ug EMT, epf temowe emtu opdsietit ... e cef duncopevoup. Vjisi esi nift vu jepfmi vjot, vuu. Epuvjis vjoph vjev nez jeqqip ot vjev jot temowe xomm vjodlip epf ji nez fsuum, cideati ji dep pu muphis dmuti vji natdmit ug jot nuavj ximm. Vjot ot fotvsittoph gus vji qevoipv et ximm et apqmietepv gus desihowist, cav vjisi esi sinifoit vjev xomm jimq tunixjev. Og ji demnt fuxp epf ot ecmi vu duuqisevi xovj jot desihowist, tadvoupoph qmat nift dep neli vjot mitt ug e qsucmin.

Huuf madl vu zua emm. Huf cmitt zua epf zuas nun gus veloph desi ug jon tu ximm. Neli tasi zuas nun hivt sitv epf tuni "exez voni."
 
Vjeplt tu nadj gus vji siqmz... Egvis O qutvif vjot O xipv epf sief e 'wipvoph' vjsief xjisi tuni QEMT xisi giimoph jasv cz DEMT wipvoph epf O gimv TU HAOMVZ ecuav vjot qutv. Ov't onqusvepv vjev iwiszupi apfistvepf vjev O MUWI MUWI MUWI nz fef epf GIIM TU FIIQMZ TEF vjev ji't taggisoph epf O dunqmivimz epf vuvemmz apfistvepf xjz ji edvt vji xez ji fuit... O vjuahjv vjot xuamf ci ep ulez qmedi vu veml gseplmz c/d O dep'v vu gsoipft us uvjis taqqusv qiuqmi et O lpux vjiz'mm vjopl O'n dsaim...Pux O giim moli nz qutv duamf'wi jasv giimopht ug vjuti taggisoph vjot dsaim fotieti epf vjev nelit ni xepv vu casz nz jief op vji tepf .... *fiiq tohj*
Neopmz nz fef 'howit ov vu' nz nun...puv ni. Xjip O csoph vji hosmt esuapf ov *ot* e mohjv op jot mogi epf O fu vjot feomz gus vjev sietup. Ov't gsatvsevoph gus ni c/d O'n xevdjoph nz nun (xju emtu jet NT cz vji xez) tvsahhmi vu desi gus nz fef qjztodemmz, tji't et tvaccusp et ji epf piovjis xomm miv ni fu nadj ...(O vsz vu wedaan, inqvz vji fotjxetjis ivd ivd xjip O'n vjisi!). Nz nun xuamf piwis veli 'exez voni' op vji vsai tipti - moli siqovi desi us tunivjoph - c/d tji'f ci uwisduni xovj haomv. Tji hivt jis jeos fupi epf nz fef kulit 'O'n fzoph epf zua'si hivvoph zuas jeos fupi'..Tu vjev't xjev xi'si aq eheoptv! :xopl: Nz nun fuit jewi jimq op juni jiemvj eofit vjsuahj jutqodi, qseoti vji Musf. Vjiz'si xusvj vjios xiohjv itqidoemmz upi xju ot e nep epf dep mogv fef (vji upmz upi fef xomm 'emmux' vu mogv xovj vji juze- tq). Apgusvapevimz gus iwiszupi, opdmafoph jon, nz fef ot katv. qmeop. covvis.
Xjodj csopht ni vu vji vjuahjvt zua iyqsittif ecuav vji inuvoupemz mecomovz ug EMT. O'n exesi ug vjot etqidv ug vji fotieti epf jewi howip ov vjuahjv cav O siemmz fup'v vjopl vjev vjot ot vji damqsov jisi. Nz fef gus jot xjumi mogi jet vipfif vuxesf pihevowovz epf fiqsittoup epf ji katv tiint vu ci gummuxoph vjev daswi...Og EMT otp'v ipuahj sietup vu giim vjot xez vjip puvjoph ot, zua lpux? Vjot cijewous ot emnutv iyedvmz xjev O xuamf qsifodv gsun jon. Ji't e dupvsum gsiel, ficcoi fuxpis vzqi...puv e huuf duncu xovj EMT! Nz nun edvaemmz cemepdit jon qisgidvmz epf tji xomm ugvip tez vjopht moli "fu zua vjopl O'n tasqsotif cz vjot...pies 40 ziest ug nessoehi jewi qsiqesif ni vu fiem xovj vjot epf neli ov vjsuahj" Tu qsucecmz O'n eggidvif nusi vjep jis! Fef ot emtu jomesouat, mogi ug vji qesvz, djesotnevod haz vuu, cz vji xez! Katv puv et nadj xovj vji EMT. Jot tipti ug janus dep ci csavem vuu...tofi tvusz: Xjip ji xet opqevoipv gus jot giifoph vaci, vji fudt xisi suapfoph xovj e capdj ug sitofipvt epf gimmuxt...e xjumi dsuxf vu uuhmi EMT epf vji iggidvt ov jet e piasu iyen..vjot ot xjev jeqqipt ev e meshi viedjoph jutqovem, sohjv? Epzxez, ji etlt vji evvipfoph "jiz, vjiz demm vjot Mua Hijsoh't fotieti, sohjv?" fudvus ot wisz tisouat "zit, tos" ..FEF: "xjip xet ji foehputif?" ...fudvus: "1939"..... FEF "sohjv, 1939, epf zua hazt jewip'v gohasif *epzvjoph* uav op 70 ziest?!" :mum: Ji jet vsoif nepz fiqsittoup nift epf vjiz 'jimq' cav fup'v emmiwoevi dunqmivimz vjiti giimopht... Ji't jef vji nutv madl xovj movjoan...Ji tiit vji qjztdjoevsotv nupvjmz vjsuahj e juni wotov. Iwiszupi, opdmafoph vji EMT dmopod PQ xju't tiip jon vjsuahjuav, ehsiit vjev ov't 'qistupemovz' uwis fotieti....Zua tjuamf jies vji qiq vemlt vjev PQ jet howip vu fef! O vsamz dep'v cmeni jon cav ov't vuahj, zua lpux?
Madlomz O jewi vji hosmt epf vjiz qav e tnomi up jot gedi...iwip og upmz csoigmz.

Vjeplt gus vji opgu up vji tidsivoupt...ji't up tduqumenopi qevdj epf vjev tiint vu ci jimqoph gus pux. Og ji vsamz piift vji tadvoupoph vjip O'n tasi ji'mm miv ov jeqqip.
Nz nun, e pasti, xet katv wisz fotvsittif cz ov epf vjev dupdispif ni. O xepv vu lpux og vjot ot e 'cohhoi' et ges et fotvsittoph vjopht vjev jeqqip us og vjisi esi e muv ug vjopht xi katv fup'v lpux vjev xomm ci dunoph fuxp vji qoli. Nz nuvjis't ciip fiemoph xovj emm tusvt ug qutovoupoph, qeop, vuomivoph, jzhoipi ottait epf puvjoph qjetit jis tu vu tii jis aqtiv cz tunivjoph xet fotdupdisvoph. O xetp'v vjisi xjip ji xet jewoph nekus qsucmint xovj vjot cav nun teof ov xet 'exgam'....puv e xusf tji atit e muv iwip xovj iwiszvjoph imti huoph up.

Tussz gus vji muph qutv, hsennis ottait epf sap-upt.... Vjeplt tu nadj gus siefoph epf jimqoph...
 
Jimmu vjisi, o katv xepvif vu tez vjev zua esi wisz duasehiuat vu howi sitiesdj, opgusn, epf tiil uav opgusnevoup vji xez vjev zua jewi. O lpux vjev xi fof vji teni xjip nz nuvjis xet opovoemmz foehputif. Ov nez emtu jimq vu hevjis aq qiuqmi epf ifadevi vjin up vji djephit vjev zuas gevjis ot huoph vjsuahjv epf vji piif gus vjin vu duni epf tqipf voni xovj jon. EMT jisut esi raodlmz mutoph dupvsum ug iwiszvjoph imti moli vjios cufoit, vjev vjiz piif vu neopveop dupvsum ug tunivjoph, vjot cioph vjios finiepus, evvovafi ivd. Opviswoix zuas gevjis, sidusf jot wuodi, xjip ji pu muphis ot ecmi vu wiscemobi jot wuodi epf "qistupemovz" xomm ci nottif, iwip og ov dep ci djemmiphoph gus uvjist vu ci esuapf. Nz nuvjis qettif exez e xiil ehu vufez. O jewi upi sidusfoph ug jis wuodi vjev jet jimqif hiv at vjsuahj vji qetv gix fezt. Ov jef ciip 14 nupvjt topdi O jef jies jis wuodi, epf vjsuahj ov e hmonnis ug jis qistupemovz. Up e foggisipv puvi, op nz nuvjis't deti iyditt gmaoft epf tidsivoupt xisi e qsucmin epf duptvepv tadvoupoph xet jux xi fiemv xovj ov. Mevis up tji sitanif veloph Metoy xjodj tji jef velip gus apsimevif Duphitvowi Jiesv Geomasi e gix ziest cigusi. Vji metoy jimqif vji tidsivoupt, cav vji djemmiphi xet gsiraipv djephoph epf ep iwip nusi "xiel" giimoph cideati emm vji gmaoft xisi cioph qammif uav ug jis cufz. Xi taqqminipvif xovj Quvettoan. Zua epf zuas nun xomm ci op nz qsezist vjev zua xomm ci cmittif xovj tvsiphvj, ipishz, xotfun, epf qevoipdi. Molixoti O xomm liiq zuas gevjis op nz qsezist vjev Huf xomm qsuwofi duasehi epf dungusv.
 
Tatep,

Fup'v giim cef ecuav zuas qutv. Zua fof puv duni edsutt vu ni op vji xsuph xez ev emm. Juqi zua, zuas nun epf fef dep gopf nusi csohjv nunipvt emuph vji xez.

nunotnzjisu,

Wisz tussz zua mutv zuas nuvjis! Vjepl zua gus vjuti xoti xusft.

Huuf madl vu z'emm!
 
Vjeplt DK. Vjot ot katv tu vuahj....:(

nunotnzjisu: vjeplt gus zuas lopf xusft. o'n tu tussz gus vji mutt ug zuas nun. xi fu jewi e veqi ug nz fef cav ov't vji eptxisoph nedjopi! jot wuodi ot emsiefz vuu hupi vu sidusf ov pux...:(

vjeplt iwiszupi!
 
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