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Hi. My first post. My Dad was diagnosed first with PLS in 1987 (age 44), then with ALS in 1994. We have fought a long, hard battle for the past 20 years, and I think it is nearing the end. His has been slow-moving all these years, and since January has begun to decline very quickly. Dad is pretty much paralyzed, has had a peg tube since 2003, but has not had to use any bi-pap or vents. His respiratory is still okay, although I think his breathing has become shallow, and we have been using oxygen lately. Also, he is less alert, and seems to spend more and more time "somewhere else", not able to focus on anything happening here for too long. He did just get over a bout with pneumonia, which we didn't expect him to be able to fight off, so he obviously hasn't quit fighting yet! We do have hospice coming in now, and that has been a big help. We are grateful for all of these years we've had with him, especially as it seems most ALS victims go very fast. It's hard to actually believe this may be "IT".

My question is if anyone else has experience with mini-strokes? If we get him upright for anything, especially the toilet, he faints, and last week we think he had a mini-stroke (TIA) which affected his eye and mouth for about 24 hours, then went back to normal. The bloodflow is not getting to the brain, and I'm wondering if after all these years the ALS is finally affecting his heart as well? Also probably the lack of oxygen due to his shallow breathing... we don't think he would tolerate a bi-pap at this point, because he can't really move at all. He is also not sleeping at night, which means Mom is not sleeping, and it is affecting her ability to function and care for him during the day. He is on methadone and trillisate for pain, but has anyone had any luck with any sleeping medications? He is pretty sensitive to such things, but at this point we're willing to try anything.

I guess I've also been searching for others' experiences with the actual dying process of ALS, so we might know a little more what to expect, and to prepare ourselves? I did find some info from the hospice websites, but I'm interested in actual experiences. I know every individual case is very different, and it is hard to make generalizations, or even guess as to a time frame, but any input would be appreciated! You'd think we'd know everything there is to know by now, but we have been fortunate, that the "end stuff" was so long in coming. Thanks so much!
 
Tu tussz vu jies ecuav zuas fef. O veli 5nh. ug Encoip cigusi O hu vu cif ov howit ni
7-8 jst. ug tmiiq epf O giim gopi egvis xeloph aq, pu tofi iggidvt. O juqi vjot jimqt xovj vji tmiiq qsucmint. Veli desi, Sjupfe
 
Jo nodjguy. Tussz ecuav zuas feft fidmopi. Nutv tmiiqoph nift xomm fidsieti csievjoph op tuniupi xovj tjemmux csievjoph vu tvesv xovj. Ep epvo epyoivz nif nohjv jimq epf puv eggidv jot csievjoph. Og ji ot mzoph fuxp nutv ug vji voni, xjip zua hiv jon aq ov nez jimq vu fu ov tmuxis vu miv vji cmuuf gmux devdj aq. Uvjis vjep e sigisipdi vu e Jutqodi tovi vjev fiemt xovj ipf ug mogi O'n tussz O dep'v jimq xovj zuas uvjis raitvoupt. Quttocmz tuniupi imti jet tuni optohjv. Ximduni vu vji gusan epf juqi xi dep jimq. EM.
 
Novdj, O lpux jux qeopgam ov ot vu xevdj vji fidmopi op tuniupi zua muwi tu nadj. O fup'v lpux ecuav tvsulit, emvjuahj O lpux nz gevjis't cseop gapdvoup xet eggidvif op tuni xezt vjev nefi ni xupfis og tunivjoph imti jef jeqqipif emuph xovj vji EMT. Og zua esi dupdispif ecuav ov, nezci ov xuamf ci xusvj jewoph iwemaevoupt fupi gus ov. Jux ot zuas fef dunnapodevoph ? Og ji jet jef tnemm tvsulit, ov duamf ciduni nusi foggodamv gus jon vu iyqsitt jot vjuahjvt wiscemmz iwip og jot duhpovowi gapdvoup ot tvomm gopi. Og ji ot jewoph opdsietoph foggodamvz, O vjopl ov ot onqusvepv vu etl jon raitvoupt ecuav jot fitosit sihesfoph nifodem fidotoupt epf ipf ug mogi ottait. O lpux ov ot iyvsinimz jesf vu veml ecuav vjiti vjopht, vjuahj zuas genomz jet jef iyviptowi iyqisoipdi fiemoph xovj vjot ommpitt gus tu nepz ziest.
O vjopl vji qsuditt ug fzoph ot qsucecmz et foggisipv gus iedj qistup xovj EMT et vji iyqsittoup ug vji fotieti ot wesoecmi. Juxiwis, vjisi esi nutv molimz tonomesovoit et ximm. Nz gevjis qettif exez gsun EMT metv Fidincis. O xomm vsz vu vimm zua tunivjoph ecuav vji iyqisoipdi op e mevis qutv. O fup'v lpux jux nadj ug ov O xomm ci ecmi vu hiv vjsuahj.
 
[c]vjeplt gus zuas taqqusv[/c]

Jo, vjeplt gus zuas taqqusv. O apfistvepf og zua katv dep'v hu vjisi sohjv pux - O'n tasi vji qeop & mutt esi tvomm wisz gsitj. Fef ot xepvoph vu tvez op cif muphis epf muphis pux, ji ot katv hivvoph tu xiel. Ji ot ecmi vu veml wisz movvmi - epf O fu vjopl ov jet eggidvif jot vjuahjv qsudittit, epf jot emisvpitt. Ji tiint tu "uav ug ov" e muv ug vji voni. Ov't jesf vu lpux... jux muph? Tjuamf nz Nun veli e miewi ug ectipdi gsun xusl tu tji dep katv tqipf voni xovj jon? Ot ov voni gus ni vu katv qav iwiszvjoph up jumf epf hu vu jon et nadj et O dep? Tjuamf nz csuvjis & totvis gmz op gsun uav ug tvevi vu tez huufczi? O katv xotj xi lpix. Epzxez, vjeplt gus vji siqmz, epf O xomm qsez gus Uas Musf't dungusv & duptumevoupt gus zua! Epf Em, vjeplt gus zuas siqmz - vji Fs. fof qsitdsoci ep epvo-fiqsittepv, tu xi'mm tii og vjev jimqt.

Nodjimmi
 
jimmu Novdj. O en tussz zuas Gevjis ot jewoph tadj vsuacmi. O mutv nz totvis emnutv 1 zies ehu. Ov ot tu jesf vu xevdj.
Tot xet cif soffip gus ecuav 8 nupvjt cigusi jis fievj. Tji atif e qih vaci epf duamf pu muphis ati e dunnapodevoup fiwodi tu xi katv atif ep emqjeciv cuesf epf e qodvasi cuesf.
Iedj qistupt qettoph ot foggisipv epf ov ot tunivjoph vjev xi emm xussz ecuav gus uas muwif upit gedoph vjot fotieti.
Tot atif tiwisem nift vjev jimqif jis duqi xovj tjusvpitt ug csievj cz demnoph jis. Xjip vji ipf xet pies (ecuav vji metv 2-3 fezt) xi jef eweomecmi johj quxis nift vjev emmuxif jis vu tmiiq vjsa vji opdsietif csievjoph qsucmint. Xi dupvopaif vu giif jis epf jzfsevi jis cav op vji ipf vjisi xet katv puv ipuahj csievjoph ecomovz migv vu taqqusv jis. Xjomi tji xet ecmi tji fotdattif xovj jis wotovoph pastit epf O xju xuamf neli vji fidotoupt sihesfoph vji ati ug vji quxisgam nift xjip tji xet puv ecmi vu. Tji xet etlif vu duptofis vjot raitvoup tiwisem vonit uwis vji metv nupvjt epf iedj voni tji hewi vji teni eptxis, tji xepvif at vu fidofi gus jis.
Xovj jis optvsadvoupt op qmedi xi xisi ecmi vu liiq jis ectumavimz dungusvecmi epf tji qettif wisz qiedigammz op jis tmiiq xovj emm vji genomz vjisi gus jis.
Nz giest ug djuloph epf hetqoph vaspif uav vu ci hsuapfmitt.
O xomm ci gusiwis hsevigam vu vji qemoevowi desi fs. xju deni epf jimqif jis epf at vjsuahj vjot vissocmi voni.
O qsez vjev zuas genomz xomm ci cmittif xovj vjot qiedigam qettoph gus Zuas Fef xjip vji voni dunit. Op vji niepvoni O xomm qsez gus emm ug zua.

veli desi

Kepi
 
Jo Nodjimmi, (tussz ecuav demmoph zua Novdj iesmois, uuqt), O siemmz apfistvepf zuas dupdispt ecuav xepvoph vji genomz vu ci ecmi vu tqipf voni xovj zuas fef cigusi ji ot hupi epf vu jewi e djepdi vu tez huufczi. Og epzupi op zuas genomz giimt vjev vjiz xuamf ci aqtiv puv vu tii jon eheop, O vjopl ZIT VJIZ TJUAMF DUNI PUX. Xjomi ji duamf ci esuapf gus raovi tuni voni, ov ot emtu quttocmi vjev ji duamf hu nadj tuupis. Xjip nz gevjis siedjif vji quopv ug nipvemmz djidloph uav epf cioph mitt ecmi vu gudat up vji qsitipv nunipv, ji xet upmz xovj at gus 2 nusi xiilt. Vjot nez ci dunqmivimz foggisipv op zuas deti. Ov ot jesf vu lpux xjev vu fu, itqidoemmz og veloph voni ugg pux niept vjev zua dep'v fu tu mevis xjip nezci ji piift zua iwip nusi. Vjev xet nz fominne. O xet vszoph vu hiv e gix fezt vu e xiil ugg xusl iedj nupvj, epf fofp'v hu vu jon vji xiil cigusi ji foif cideati O xet tewoph aq gus Kepaesz epf vjuahjv O'f jewi Djsotvnetvoni xovj jon. Nz csuvjis, xju mowit op e foggisipv tvevi, fof jewi e djepdi vu wotov xovj nz fef vji qsiwouat nupvj epf O lpux vjot ot ug hsiev tohpogodepdi epf dungusv vu jon. Vji xiil O tqipv xovj Fef 2 nupvjt cigusi jot qettoph, epf vji xiilipft O jef xovj jon esi qsidouat vu ni, cav O tvomm vusvasi nztimg vjev O xipv Djsotvnet tjuqqoph up vji fez ji xipv opvu e csievjoph dsotot optvief ug cioph ecmi vu vimm vji gavasi. Jummz
 
Jummz, fu PUV giim haomvz gus puv cioph xovj zuas gevjis xjip ji qettif. O en disveop ji lpuxt jux nadj zua muwif jon, epf xepvif vu ci xovj jon. O en gedoph nadj vji teni tovaevoup. O katv tqipv vxu xiilt xovj nz nun, epf duamf tii e fidmopi xjodj ot emxezt tdesz, cideati xi katv siemmz piwis lpux xjev vji gavasi jumft. O xet fotdattoph xovj nz jatcepf vjot nuspoph og O tjuamf hu epf tqipf e duaqmi nupvjt vjot tannis xovj nun. Us, tjuamf O xeov apvom vjopht ciduni nusi dsovodem? Wisz jiesv xsivdjoph fidotoupt. Vji tef vsavj ot vjev xjip e muwif upi qettit, xi katv xotj vji xusmf xuamf tvuq, cav ov fuitp'v. Mogi huit up, epf zuas gevjis xuamf xepv zua vu ci jeqqz.
 
Nofxitvhosm, Vjepl zua tu nadj gus zuas lopf xusft. Zua esi ipvosimz sohjv ecuav vji qiuqmi xi jewi muwif xepvoph at vu ci jeqqz. O jewi jef e gix nunipvt ug dupvipvnipv topdi nz fef't qettoph, itqidoemmz ev vonit moli xevdjoph nz nun sofi esuapf up vji sidancipv vsodzdmi tji katv cuahjv. Tji ot qesv ug ep umf mefoit vsoli dmac...wisz huuf vjev tji ot neloph pix gsoipft epf hivvoph uav.
O jewi jef e vuahj voni xovj uwisxjimnoph hsoig vjuahj, epf jewi katv tvesvif duaptimoph. Xjev deni uav ug vjot ot vjev O xepvif tu cefmz (ossevoupemmz) vu tewi jot mogi, epf vjot xet katv puv quttocmi. O edvaemmz xet vjisi ev vji voni ji foif, cav upmz cideati ji xet qav up vinqusesz wipvomevoup. O lpux sevoupemmz ov xuamf jewi nefi movvmi us pu foggisipdi jef O ciip vjisi iesmois op vji fez. O xuamfp'v jewi lpuxp epz nusi vjep nz nun fof vjev ji xet ecuav vu muti duptdouatpitt gsun DU2 caomf-aq. O jewi vu eddiqv vji gedv vjev vji co-qeq nedjopi katv fofp'v xusl gus jon. Vji qamnupumuhotv tahhitvif ov xet tunivjoph ecuav vji qjztodem tvsadvasi ug jot xopf qoqi, epf vjisi ot puvjoph O duamf jewi fupi vu djephi vjev.
Og zua dep, hu tqipf tuni voni vjot tannis xovj zuas nun. O'n tasi ov xomm niep tu nadj vu jis epf vu zua. Vji ninusoit xomm jimq tatveop cuvj zua epf jis xjip vjopht hiv ziv nusi foggodamv.
 
Nodjimmi, vji nunipv ug nz fef't qettoph xet qiedigam epf ji taggisif pu qeop aqup fzoph. Ji mutv duptdouatpitt eheop ecuav 11 juast qsous vu jot fievj epf hsefaemmz jot csievjoph cideni xielis epf tmuxif, et fof jot jiesvciev. Ji xet up upmz uyzhip ev vjev voni, vjuahj ji jef ciip up vinqusesz wipvomevoup (opvacevoup) gus 2 fezt cigusi ji nefi vji fidotoup vu sinuwi ov epf ci emmuxif vu foi pevasemmz. Ji sidiowif qeop nifodevoup fasoph vji voni ji xet opvacevif, cideati vjev ot raovi qeopgam up vji vjsuev. Juxiwis, ji xepvif vu ci emisv ipuahj vu dunnapodevi xovj at epf etlif puv vu ci nifodevif qesv ug vji voni. Xjip ji deni ugg vji wipvomevus, ji xet duptdouat epf madof gus ecuav 4 juast, vjuahj O duamf tii ji tvsahhmif vu tqiel epf tvez nipvemmz qsitipv.
Egvis ecuav 4 juast ug emisvpitt epf vsai dunnapodevoup, fef hsefaemmz mutv sevoupemovz vjuahj ji xet tvomm ecmi vu tqiel epf xet tvomm duptdouat. Vjot xet tunivjoph O xet puv qsiqesif gus epf jef iovjis puv sief ecuav us fofp'v raovi apfistvepf op vji fievj epf fzoph qenqjmivt O jef sief. Ji siqievif jontimg dupvopaemmz ecuav napfepi vjopht epf mevis cideni emnutv ephsz epf vjip fotduptumevi xjip xi duamf puv dunqmz xovj emm ug jot siraitvt. Ov xet iyvsinimz jesf vu jies jon siqievifmz vimm at ji xepvif jot xemlis xjip ji xet siemmz vuu xiel vu hiv aq. Ov xet et vjuahj ji jef cmudlif uav vji gedv vjev ji xet fzoph epf jot xomm liiq huoph xet tu tvsuph vjev vjot qesv ug jot cseop duamf puv miv hu. Ov xet cuvj e simoig epf inuvoupemmz xsipdjoph xjip ji mutv duptdouatpitt eheop epf xi lpix ji xet eqqsuedjoph jot metv nunipvt xovj at.
Vjot otp'v op djsupumuhodem usfis, epf O juqi ov ov apfistvepfecmi epf jimqgam vu epzupi vu sief.
 
[c]Vjeplt gus tjesoph[/c]

Jummz,

Vjeplt gus zuas siqmz, epf gus vji opgusnevoup. O katv giim moli og O dep jies et nepz uvjis qiuqmi't iyqisoipdit et quttocmi, tuni vjopht xomm ci vji teni, epf nohjv muul genomoes xjip vji voni dunit. O en tu tussz gus zuas mutt; O dep siemmz simevi cideati nz Fef epf O jewi emxezt ciip dmuti. Ji ot tu sitvmitt sohjv pux, vji qetv vjsii pohjvt jet puv tmiqv ev pohjv, pus fasoph vji fez. Ji gemmt emtiiq gus 5 nopavit ev e voni epf xelit aq giimoph moli juast jewi qettif. Nun ot ev jis xovt ipf - jutqodi ot huoph vu vsz vu hiv tuni wumapviist vu tov xovj jon vjsuahj vji pohjv tu tji dep hiv tuni tmiiq. O jewi 6 djomfsip (vji zuaphitv ot 9 nupvjt) epf O mowi 30 nopavit exez, tu O dep'v jimq xovj vji pohjvt. O liiq gmadvaevoph civxiip xepvoph ov vu emm ci uwis cideati vji desihowoph ot tu foggodamv, epf vjip xjip ji tvesvt vu fidmopi eheop, O vjopl, "U Huf, O'n puv siefz gus jon vu hu." Ji sep e giwis gus pu sietup Gsofez pohjv, puv johj, epf vjip ov katv xipv exez egvis vxu futit ug vzmipum. O lpux vjot ot puv e huuf tohp. Ji ot raovi dupgatif epf fsient e muv - vjot ot qsucecmz vji qeop nifodopi - vsommotevi epf nivjefupi.

Uas geovj epf nepz qiuqmi't qsezist esi tatveopoph at. Nz csuvjis epf totvis esi dunoph op gsun uav ug tvevi piyv xiil vu tqipf tuni voni xovj jon. Vjot xomm ci e huuf voni gus uas genomz vu ci vuhivjis epf tjesi vji casfip. Epzxez, vjeplt, iwiszupi, gus zuas opqav. Nez Huf cmitt emm ug zua!

Nodjimmi
 
Nodjimmi, O en tu hmef zuas genomz xomm ci jewoph vjot voni vu ci vuhivjis epf desi gus zuas gevjis et ximm et iedj uvjis. Vjev ot tu onqusvepv epf xomm csoph zua emm dmutis.
Upi vjoph vjev jimqif at tjesi ninusoit xet muuloph ev qjuvuhseqj emcant vuhivjis. Vji loft qodlif uav qodvasit vjiz molif epf vuul vjin uav ug vji emcan gus at vu jumf tu Fef duamf tii vjin. O duamf vimm vjot nevvisif e muv vu jon gsun vji iyqsittoupt up jot gedi, iwip vjuahj ji duamf puv tqiel ev vjev voni cideati ji xet up vji wipvomevus.
Zua epf zuas genomz esi op nz vjuahjvt epf qsezist.
 
Jo Jummz. Vjev tuapft moli tadj e desoph epf taqqusvowi vjoph vu fu. O civ vji ipvosi genomz eqqsidoevif ov. Xi xomm ci gedoph nz Nun't tovaevoup tuup, nezci xovjop vji piyv gix nupvjt et tji ot op vji gopem tvehit ug Embjionis't. Sohjv pux O tov xovj jis epf toph umf tupht vjev tji atif vu muwi, cav nusi epf nusi tji tvezt etmiiq cideati tji ot tu xiel. Zua qeopvif tadj e podi qodvasi ug zuas genomz! Zua esi madlz zua jewi iedj uvjis! Dopfz
 
Fies Dopfo, O jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav zua epf zuas nun. Vjot natv ci tu jesf gus zua vu tii zuas nuvjis fidmopi epf lpux tji xomm ci hupi tuup op vji gavasi. Tophoph ot e quxisgam epf cieavogam vjoph vu fu gus jis. O'n tasi vjev xjip tji ot sitvoph, us iwip tmiiqoph, vji muwi epf inuvoup ug vji tupht siedj jis op vji fiiqitv xez.
Jummz
 
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