Life after death?

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This is not scientific at all but my favorite quote from the movie CITY OF ANGELS. When the angel is trying to convince Meg Ryan, He is in fact an Angel and there is a God. She states she just does not believe it. Then he replies.

" Just because you don't believe it, does not mean it's not true."

Renee
 
Pepsiman, I just wanted to say that no one is merely a caregiver of a PALS, I do not know your circumstances, but I've said it before, and will say it until the day I die, I am so thankful to be the PALS rather than a CALS.
 
Pepsiman ... I have known other people who have had similar experiences, and I have also experienced something that seemed physically impossible, but which changed my belief system much as yours did yours.

I, too, am not "religious," but I consider my experience a gift for which I will always be grateful.
 
Something to think about?

ANOTHER VIEW OF THINGS sent to me by a fellow member.

A professor of science & philosophy begins his school year with a lecture to his students.
The professor pauses before his class,
'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' He then asks one of his new students to stand. 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?' 'Absolutely.'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes.'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you...Let's say there's a sick person and you can cure him. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you are good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.' ]
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could, but God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good, Hmmm? Can you answer that one?' The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er...yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God.'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir.'
'Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God made everything, correct?'
'Yes.'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, and since evil exists, and according
to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer.
'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?' The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?' The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.
'The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes.'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
At the back of the room another student stands quietly for a moment before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet.
The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest: 458 degrees.'
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat.
You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?' 'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not some thing. It is the absence of some thing. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'My point is this professor; your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
The student continues; 'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now, not a scientist, but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'So, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Uncertain, the professor responds; 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
The student replies, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down. :oops:
 
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thanks for the anecdote, mtpockets.
i took a semester of philosophy and being 18 at the time, i was disappointed when i left the class and realized i still wasn't any closer to finding out what the meaning of life was. in fact, there were no answers and no satisfaction. there was a lot of maths and weird shapes drawn up on chalkboards that meant nothing at all to me.

my mum being diagnosed with probable ALS is the closest i've come to understanding what life means. i don't take any real comfort in the knowing, and in many ways i still wish i were that 18 year old me, because that means mum would still be well and i would be continuing to take her for granted.

i think everyone on these forums, anyone who has had to confront death in the way PALS and CALS do in their daily life, will know a little clearer what life means and how precious it is.

in terms of having a spiritual moment amidst all this heartache, i wanted to share my little story. one afternoon i curled up against mum in bed. we had spent the morning crying and we were both exhausted. i lay with her, back to back, the way i used to when i was a little girl and crawled in beside her in the mornings after dad had left for work. i listened to her breathing and synchronized my breathing to hers so we were inhaling and exhaling at the same time. we both woke up at exactly the same time a couple of hours later and the feeling i got just coming out of sleep was one of regret since i had had to leave the beautiful place i had been dreaming about. mum must have felt the same thing because she turned to me and said, "did you feel that too? you were there and it was lovely, wasn't it?" and we were happy for a few moments before reality shook us awake.

i don't know what that means, if anything. but i spent the rest of the day wishing i could go back there.
 
Memories. They are so special and we are working so hard to make some good ones for our loved ones.
Thanks for sharing such a special moment. I hope you can treasure it for a lifetime.
For more info on my personal feelings about this thread please go tomy page and read some of my thoughts at: www.myspace.com/als_bigal
 
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may i say a few words.

firstly capt al,i loved your story it reminded me of a fitting scripture.
1 cor 1;19-25 the first part reads "it is written:i will make the wisdom of the wise man perish,and the intelligence of the intellectual men i will shove aside"
these are men with limitations unlike god who is all knowing.

definition of faith....."faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for,the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld" heb 11;1

we all have faith of somekind,without it there would be no meaning to life.

take the wind for example,we can not see it but we feel and see evidence of it.
likewise we can see god through his creations.

physical universe.
if you found a precision time piece,would you conclude that it was formed by chance?
the planets in our solar system,also the stars in the entire universe move at a rate that is more precise than any clock.
if a clock is evidence of intelligent design,how much more so is the universe.

bible and science.
the bible has been proved accurate by science in many of its prophecys.
it told of the water cycle in detail and how the earth was a sphere thousands of years before man had the capability to prove it for themselves.

based on this knowledge i can believe gods word about death.
eccl 9;5 "the living are conscious that they will die,but the dead are conscious of nothing" they are as if they were in a deep sleep,ready to be awakened.
john 5;28,29 talks of a resurrection and in rev 21;1-5 a new system were death is no more.
god gives hope of his origional plan that he will fullfill,that is mankind living together in physical and spiritual perfection in paradise on earth.

this is not to preach to anyone,just to share my hope .
my friend del died on friday,i have been trying to work my way through that in my mind.
my faith had dulled for a long time.
many have said how good i was to del but the fact is i owe a lot to him,my life has become so much richer having known him and my faith stronger.
i want to be able to see my dear friend in person,happy and healthy.
only by keeping my faith will my expectation become reality.
 
Thanks for your comments. I am so sorry to hear about the death of your friend. My only comfort for times like these is knowing, yes I said knowing, that there is life after death and I will be reunited with lost friends and loved ones. How can I say "Know"? By FAITH alone I know.
 
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