Thank you all for your kind words, also Poppy I'm glad that you are having this conversation. My mom and I had the food and water conversation but were caught off guard by the med one, I didn't realize that for a lot of people that is how it happens. Any yes Elaine, I think you are right it's the leaving that hurts, and yes it takes time to think things through it's good that you can do this and have the ability to communicate it. I guess we also got caught off guard because the first nuro mom saw said that the majority of folks pass away in their sleep. So we hung onto that idea, what I'm learning is that for some it's very sudden and unexpected and others it is in their "sleep" but for many I'm guessing it's sleep induced via meds. Anyway --it was hard. Thank you again. Monica