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hi all . . . This might sound like a dumb question but how are the various onset of als classified ? Allow me to try and explain what i am asking . . Lets use me for an example . . I got breathing problems that recently have been joined by and probably over taken by bulbar problems. . So if i get diagnoses of als mnd then what would be the official title of onset? Respiratory onset ? Bulbar onset . . Does the first area of the body to become paralysed get the title despite being affected first ? Just curious . . Please feel free to send me to back of the class if i sound stupid. . . God bless
 
Usually, it's the first area found to be affected by ALS. In your case, should your breathing problems be found to be caused by ALS, you would be considered as a respiratory onset case. If your breathing problems are caused by another respiratory condition (such as asthma or COPD) and the problems in your mouth and throat turned out to be caused by ALS, then you would be considered a bulbar onset case.

Hope this helps.
 
hi trfogey. . . Yeah thanks for taking the time to respond that helps . I know that pro guys use criteria to diagnose (el escorial)? . . Just wondered if they have similar criteria for onset classification. . That way the order that your further ongoing treatment and specialist care is placed may just help that little bit more? That said from what i gather its just impossible to predict. . . . Alex
 
And usually the place of onset is where symptoms start and progress long before the disease affects other parts of the body. In my case my bulbar symptoms had been going on for a full year and a half before I had any limb problems at all. So I could still walk for miles in the mountains even though I could barely talk or eat.
 
hi barry. . Thanks for the reply. . . I guess you are what they call a classic bulbarian then? As diagnoses classification goes you would have been not too difficult ? The people that have a few things going on early that would be hardest to classify? Would be interestde if anyone knows if there is an official criteria on this . Maybe mr wright next time you reading would be good enough to chime in . ? . . . Alex . . Ps barry hope your feelin better . . Saw you were feelin awful recently .
 
Alex,

Very few ALS patients, at least among those of my acquaintance, have a few things going on early, as you put it, when they start down the diagnosis trail. It's usually one particular disability -- a weak grip in one hand, a dropped foot causing difficulty with walking, or slurred speech -- that gets us to mention it to a doctor, so the first place of onset is usually very well-known.

Not to say that there aren't exceptions, but they are very rare and usually involve extremely rapid progression or lack of adequate diagnostic work in the early stages.
 
tryfogey . . . The thing that is probably at the core of my curiousity is the fact that unlike many other diseases it can be doing its damage without you knowing it . . Unlike say a brain tumor which will be quite obvious the minute it shows up . . Als can be at work with your neurons way before you notice things are wrong . ? Which in turn makes it hard to know which area was damaged first . . You may notice foot drop but the first neuron affected could be in your hand but not presenting physical symptoms as yet . . Can this happen ? Again this is just pure curiousity and trying to educate myself. . Appreciate your input buddy. . Alex
 
I believe I am one of the very few (statistically less than 2%) people with ALS who have a diffuse onset. I need to clarify that this is what I think my type is, if it even is ALS after all. My initial diagnosis was PBP, however I was aware of right shoulder weakness, but, at time of initial diagnosis it was not clinically weak. My breathing difficulties were attributed to bulbar weakness.

Even though I have not had a different diagnosis, ( technically it is still bulbar onset), my neurologist and other medical professionals involved with my case all agree that I am not at all typical for a bulbar onset patient. The problem with them not being able to say "Oops, sorry, not ALS after all", is that nothing else has turned up.

I think if someone has not been in the actual presence of those with a "typical" type onset and progression of ALS, whether that be limb onset, or bulbar, they might not see why I say this. You can run down the list of signs seen with ALS and I have them, but yet I don't have them the same way as most do. That is why people just can't pick and choose symptoms that suit them to fit a disease. Test results, and the laundry list of what is wrong with me fit, but the way that it exhibits itself is not seen in the average PALS, and it takes someone with training and experience to discern that.

So, yes, there are a very few people who experience a more diffuse progression, but even they will have had to meet the criteria of the El Escorial (as I have, unfortunately)

The thing is that if you (Alex) are asking for yourself, which I am assuming you are, it is imperative that every other possible avenue is explored to its fullness. Its only ever ALS after it can't be anything else. There are a plethora of tests that need to be run, and if someone is not typical there is even more to rule out than a person exhibiting textbook onset. Just scheduling and getting the test results can take months, and that's if there is an active push to do it.

Most of the red flags for me, I was not even aware of. I was completely clueless as to the significance of my first EMG, I did not know my reflexes were off, I didn't realize I was not swallowing right, so much of this is quite insidious, it sneaks up, and the person becomes used to the changes and accepts them as normal until it either gets so bad that the problem can't be ignored, or they are pointed out to the person after test results or clinical exam discover them.

A good friend of my eldest son was recently hospitalized for a MONTH (as an inpatient) and they still don't know what is wrong with her. Three of those weeks were at Johns Hopkins! They have looked at everything even remotely possible, and don't know. (its nothing like ALS) So, real life is not like the TV show House, who solves medical mysteries in the space on an hour (has there even been a "to be continued" episode?)
 
hi rose . . Really interesting stuff from you . -Actually this time i not asking to try and compare to my current situation i just just have an inquisitive mind and am trying to educate myself a little. . You see over here in the uk they tend to just term it as having motor neuron disease. . Not pbp or als . . Its all Mnd . . Whereas over there you seem to have advanced in defining the various forms. . -Thus my question . . How are the forms / onset classified. . Just trying to take advantage of you guys superior knowledge. . . . Alex. . . Ps thanks rose for pending planning guy my way . . Again very helpful. .
 
My disease started with emphatic cramps in my right toes. They occurred at night and woke me up, reaching down to bend my toes back. They went on for about 3 weeks, then stopped cold. A month later I started falling every few weeks. It's a wonder I didn't do real damage to myself because I didn't even know what was happening (for sure!). Alex, if I were you, I'd turn off my computer and run outside and breathe deeply. If you don't have ALS, you shouldn't consort with people who have it. It's not healthy.
Good luck,
Carol
 
hi carol . . Thanks for the reply. . I completely hear and understand what you are saying about switching off and going outside. . But this thread was not about me panickin or my symptoms , i just wanted to know if there was an official criteria / classification for onset . . Just curiosity . . but i not gonna turn to computor off just yet cos i try to help and reassure people on the 'do i have als forum' with the (admittedly limited) knowledge i posses. I also enjoy the wonderful people here . . Seasons greetings to you and yours . . Alex
 
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