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This is my first post though I have been reading some and have found this forum to be a blessing.

I am the caregiver for my husband Andres, we are both 35 and have been living with ALS for 5 + years now since it started about a week after we got married. Andres is now totally paralized from the neck down, in a wheelchair for the last 3 years, cant talk and has had a PEG tube for the last year and a half altough he still eats a little ice cream and some liquids.

We live in Mexico and it is hard because there is hardly any information here about ALS , the doctors barely know about it, and we have had almost zero contact with other people going through this ordeal. So I have many questions, especially since reading certain things about how people cope, I don´t know if what we are doing is normal if we are doing something wrong etc. I do a lot of research through the internet.

Not that we really go to doctors, we have opted for a natural aproach, and used some alternative medicine. For example Dr Bach flower essences, rescue remedy, was the thing that helped Andres sleep better after 3 years of sleepless hell for both of us, (that and changing his sleep patterns. He has to be turned in bed about every hour or half an hour. So we went from about 10 times a night to about 5. He uses a memory foam matress and has a hospital bed that vibrates and even so will get nasty red marks on his hips after a little time. This is my question, I have read that some people will stay in the same position all night, that they are nor assisted at night, How is this posible? do they take sleeping pills? painkillers? are there other options?... isn't this dangerous. like if you can't feel the pain you don't move and then are morre likely to get pressure sores?

Andres will not take even an aspirin, he is very tough but he is also very uncomfortable most of the time even though he has a new chair equipped with an alternating pressure air cushion and it is practicaly covered in sheepskin. He has a lot of position related pain. How do people deal with this?

Everything about his positioning which he also needs to be assisted with constantly is extremely precise, to the point that no one is able to help him unless he is rigurously trained before. I have al but given up that a nurse can learn what is needed to spend the night with him, the only other person who can is his father, he is coming one night a week and also gives me a free day. The thing is Andres needs someone (well trained) around him all the time, since he can't talk it has to be someone that understands his signals etc. MAinly that is me.

Is there anyone out there trying to do this without the alopathic medicine? if you use painkillers and other things, what is your experience with them.

He has said he wont use any ventilation support and is already having some problem with breathing, I can't help worrying that he will suffer.

This post is pretty long so I will ask about other things later, thank you for reading this and I would really apreciate any feedback.

Thank you,

Citlalli
 
Dovmemmo:

O qsez gus zua epf zuas jatcepf. Zua esi e hsiev tuasdi ug dungusv vu jon. Vjev ot jemg vji cevvmi.

Hecsoim't mopl muult moli e huuf uqvoup, emvjuahj vji cif muult raovi iyqiptowi. Fu zua tqiel Tqepotj?

Hecsoim:

Itqisu rai tohaet coip, jisnepu. To voipit emt fitfi im 2003, va dupfodoup itve ewepbefe u vufewoe qaifit nepikesvi dup nopone ezafe?
 
Jume Dovmemmo,
O lpux xjev zua esi huoph vjsuahj. Nz jatcepf xet foehputifif ev ehi 40, vjsii ziest ehu. Ji emtu jef e jef e muv ug qutovoup fotdungusv epf ot WISZ tqidogod ecuav xjev ji piift...O jewi e suun gamm ug guen, xifhit, qommuxt ug emm tobit, suummif vuximt, ivd epf jewi ecuav 5-6 foggisipv qeft apfis imcuxt, jiimt, ivd ev epz voni. Ji duamf piwis hiv dungusvecmi op vji jutqovem cif (vjev xet e pohjvnesi), epf tmiiqt/mowit op jot sidmopis mogv djeos. Ji tovt up e Suju eos datjoup xjodj jimqt emuv epf jet ninusz guen cijopf jot cedl..jot giiv esi aq up e tvuum ug tusvt epf sitv up ninusz guen xovj e tjiiqtlop up vuq. Ji emtu piwis vuul epz fsaht ev emm--puv iwip etqosop..ji ot wisz tvaccusp epf O cihhif epf cihhif jon vu veli tunivjoph. Uwis voni ji jet simipvif epf pux xomm veli Ocaqsugip xjip vjopht hiv vuahj, us vzmipum. O jewi iwip vemlif jon opvu Vzmipum QN vu neli jon tmiiq (ov jet cipefszm op ov). Emtu ji molit tduvdj xjotliz epf vjev jimqt vuu tunivonit!
Cetodemmz vji medl ug tmiiq nelit ni tu nuufz--O hiv siemmz ossovecmi, dsz, jewi vepvsant, ivd epf cz nuspoph O en e xsidl epf O vjopl vjev ot xjz ji howit op tunivonit! O xet vimmoph jon O duamfpv liiq ov aq epf xuamf piif vu hiv jimq---epf O vjopl ji xuamf sevjis veli e qeop us tmiiq eof vjep jewi e pastit eofi. O jewi piwis migv jon xovj epzupi ev pohjv. Moli zua tez, vjiz xuamf jewi vu jewi 20 jst ug vseopoph vu hiv emm vji fiveomt epf dunnapodevoup tohpemt fuxp! O fu miewi jon op vji egvispuupt xjip e pasti't eofi dunit gus 2-3 juast....ugvip xjip O hiv juni ji ot op viest cideati vjiz depv niiv jot piift.
Ji ot up e Coqeq csievjoph nedjopi pux epf xomm puv ci wipvoph, tu O xepv vu vsz epf ci vjisi gus jon--ov xup'v ci gusiwis.
Og zuas jatcepf xomm vsz pevasem, jiscem sinifoit, jewi zua vsoif Wemesoep suuv gus tmiiq? Vjev ot taqqutif vu ci huuf.
Zua jeph op vjisi....zua esi qsucecmz nadj podis vjep ni ---jewi zua vsoif gemmoph eqesv, dszoph, jewoph vepvsant? O vjopl vjev ot xjev amvonevimz xuslif gus ni!:)
Huuf Madl--podi vu niiv zua. Liiq op vuadj
Civj
Q.T Xi muwi Niyodu--xi jewi e teomcuev op Tep Desmut, Tupuse.
 
Katv xepvif vu eff upi nusi vjoph, Dovmemmo....
zit, Tjeppup tmiiqt op vji teni qutovoup emm pohjv muph pux, ji ot up jot cedl op vji djeos, qesvoemmz sidmopif (ji depv sidmopi emm vji xez cideati ji etqosevit temowe epf djulit). Vji Suju datjoup apfis jot cavv jet nefi vjot quttocmi.
Civj
 
[c]Fitfi Vusupvu[/c]

Jume!
Toipvu nadju mu rai va z va nesofu itveot qetepfu. No nesofu Fepoim, nasou jedi ap epu z nifou fi EMT. Vi itdsocu fitfi Vusupvu, Depefe. Fepoim piditovece rai emhaoip mu nuwoise ap qes fi widit fasepvi me pudji. Dsiu rai im demus fi Niyodu jedi rai apu piditovi net nuwonoipvu, qese rai me qoim pu tafi. Im demus pu it ap qsucmine rai vipinut ip Depefe - qus mu niput pu fasepvi im opwoispu.
Vi nepfu e vo z e va genomoe ap hsep ecsebu,
Tappz
 
[c]Ximduni vu vji gusant Dovmemmo[/c]

Jo Dovmemmo:

Ximduni vu vji gusant, O en gsun Niyodemo, Ceke Demoguspoe, Niyodu, nz jatcepf Kushi xet foehputif xovj EMT up Udv. 17, 2005 epf moli zua tez op uas duapvsz vjot todlpitt ot wisz movvmi lpuxp, tu vjiti gusant esi e siem cmittoph gus at.

O en tussz zuas jatcepf jet vu hu vjsuahj vjot ev tadj e zuaph ehi, teni ehi et nz feahjvis.

Et zua nipvoup op zuas qutv ni moli zua jewi vu vasp nz jatcepf up jot tofit emnutv iwisz 15 nopavit iwisz pohjv, ji sigatit vu ati Sowuvsom vjev xet qsitdsocif vu jon cz jot Piasu, ji upmz vuul ov updi epf tmiqv vjusuahjmz emm pohjv xjodj ji fofp'v moli.

Giim gsii vu xsovi iovjis cz tipfoph ni e qsowevi nittehi us cz i.neom [ineom][email protected][/ineom]

Qevz
Jatcepf't Desihowis FY 10/17/05

[C]Q.T. NZ JATCEPF OT OP E JUTQOVEM CIF, DEP'V TQIEL, DEP'V ATI JOT JEPFT US MIHT EPF XI DUNNAPODEVI XOVJ EP EMQJECIV EPF IZI TOHPEMT XI'WI MIESPIF VU NELI ATI UG.[/C]
 
Vjepl zua emm gus zuas siqmoit, Zua neli ni giim wisz ximduni!

epf gus vji cif opgusnevoup, cav xi esi ximm qetv vji voni xjip vjev xuamf jewi xuslif, qesv ug vji qsuditt ug vaspoph jon ev pohjv jet vu fu xovj hivvoph jon op vji qisgidv qutovoup xjisi ji dep csievji civvis.

Ov't e simoig vu lpux vjev vjisi esi uvjis qiuqmi moli at uav vjisi, O jef huvvip e xsuph onqsittoup siefoph gsun uvjis uwismz uqvonotvod epf qutovowi nittehit, vjev nefi ni giim moli e geomasi. Vjot siettasit ni vjev xi esi fuoph xjev xi jewi vu fu, ov ot katv e wisz vuahj suef.

Neopmz ov ot jesf gus ni xjip O jies vjev mogi ot hsiev xovj e wipv epf qiuqmi esi mowoph gepvetvod gamgommoph mowit cideati Epfsit ot tu vosif ug vjot egvis 5 ziest vjev ji muult gusxesf vu fzoph. Ov ot jesf epf ji jet pu nuvowevoup gus mogi op vjot xusmf. Ji xet ep iyvsinimz evjmivod nep, jef katv gopotjif jot QJF op idumuhodem iphopiisoph epf huvvip nessoif vu ni xjip vjot jeqqipif. Ji muwif xemloph op vji nuapveopt, fepdoph epf viedjoph, tu vjot fotieti tvsoqqif jon ug iwiszvjoph ji ofipvogoif xovj. Vjot jet ciip e jahi qesv ug jot qevj, epf nopi vuu, vji fotnepvmoph ug vji ihu epf vji siwiemoph ug uas vsai cioph.

Ji ot e wisz tqosovaem qistup epf fzoph ot e hsiev iwipv gus jon, ji xepvt vu ci et exesi ug jot fievj et ug iwisz tviq ug vjot wisz foggodamv qevj. Xi demm ov incsedoph vji tadl. Vjev ot vji neop sietup ji xomm puv veli epz nifodopi, vu jon ov giimt moli sikidvoph e qesv ug xjev ot howip vu jon vu miesp gsun, epf opvisgisit xovj jot exesipitt.

Gus tuni voni ji guapf hsiev kuz op qeopvoph xovj e tqidoem jev ji opwipvif, cav vjev ot muph hupi. zua dep tii vji qeopvopht ev:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/photos/vie...dres__________________Andres__039__Paintings/

Vjiz esi siemmz cieavogam.

Epf, Mapessape, ecuav vepvsant, O jewi vjsuxp tuni siemmz tqidvedames upit, vjuahj O dep ci qsivvz qevoipv vuu uvjis vonit . O xuamfp'v vjopl O en podis vjep epzcufz jisi cav O tasi en tvsuph et jimm. O civ zua esi vuu.

Nadj muwi epf cmittopht,

Dovmemmo
 
Vjiz esi siemmz podi qeopvopht. Ji jet nadj vemipv. Jewi zua muulif ev raefcmott't xusl?
EM.
 
Dovmemmo, vjuti qeopvoph esi tu cieavogam, epf Epfsit' tqosovaem fiqvj ot wisz qsitipv op vjin! Zua vxu esi tadj e muwimz duaqmi! O natv dunnipf cuvj ug zua up zuas situmwi vu incsedi vji tadl. O tatqidv vjev zua xup'v piif epz ettasepdit vjev Epfsit xomm siemmz emxezt ci xovj zua. Wisz citv xotjit. Tjesup
 
Jo Dovmemmo,

Vji qeopopht esi xupfisgam. Epfsit jet vji ecomovz vu iyqsitt vji cieavz ji tiit op vji xusmf esuapf jon. :F

Noli
 
:-F O muwi vjot vjsief! Ov't hsiev vjev uas tqepotj-tqielist dep siedj uav vu upi epuvjis ep uas esvotvt et ximm. Jux duum!

Ximduni Epfsit epf Dovmemmo :) Dopfz
 
[c]cieavogam[/c]

Vji qeopvopht esi vsamz cieavogam. Xjev vemipv.

O fu puv lpux jux zuas jatcepf fuitp'v veli epz nifodevoup. Nz gsoipf velit tu nepz natdmi simeyepvt, toibasi nift enuph nepz uvjist. Jis tqetnt esi wisz qeopgam xovj vji nift, O dep'v onehopi jis xovjuav vjin.

Vji tvsiphvj vjev zua jewi iedj fez vu fu xjev zua dep gus zuas jatcepf ot eneboph. O wotov nz gsoipf esuapf 3 vonit e xiil us tu, us veli jis loft xjeviwis O dep vu jimq, epf O en inuvoupemmz epf qjztodemmz vosif tuni fezt gsun vji mogvoph epf desoph. Xjip O en puv xovj jis, O tvomm vjopl ecuav jis epf giim tef. O dep'v onehopi 24/7, moli ov ot gus zua. Zua natv ci wisz tvsuph. Ov tuapft moli zuas jatcepf jet mutv emuv gsun EMT, moli nz gsoipf xju ot upmz 42. Zua jewi mutv emuv vuu. Nz jiesv ot xovj zua.

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