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I'm not trying give anyone false hope here, only posting what i find to be real, geniune stroies, i've spoken to two of these personnaly. Pay close attention to who wrote the thread, you will see a chain of progress from a few people.
For those of us, who are in unknown land (Normal EMG, NO ALS diagnosed and they don't know what the heck is up with us).....Here is a good explanation:
Author Topic: any other ALS diagnosis?
canadianmike
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posted November 30, 2006 10:31 PM
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Hi all,
I'm wondering if there's anyone else on here who was originally diagnosed with ALS but is now being treated for lyme? This was the case for me and I've been lurking on here hoping to find others. I see we are few.
I'm being treated by Dr.B with mild success, but the improvements i've noticed haven't impacted my everyday activities.
Diagnosed with ALS Nov. 04, diagnosed with lyme Jan, 06 even though Igenex test was IND.
Started on three months of tetra and noticed improvements in joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and strength. Switched to Amoxy and didn't notice anything else for four months. I am now on Mepron / Azythro for the past three weeks and have noticed improvements in twitching and sweaty palms.
I haven't noticed any improvements in motor function and I'm wondering if there's anyone out there that can offer me a little encouragement with your experiences.
I'm hoping to be able to rebuild some muscle and
I'm wondering what has helped others in my situation. Thanks in advance.
David95928
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Mike, I can't comment directly but noticed yesterday tht there is a section in the newbie links on Lyme and als.
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David
lymie tony z
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posted December 01, 2006 07:21 AM
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Hi Mike,
While I was never officially diagnosed with als my first appointment with an ID duck came back with a letter to my PCP at the time that I "might have ALS" among other things.
This idiot duck also said...he did'nt trust Igenex lab results.
He told me "I don't think you have lyme disease, but I'll treat you for lyme arthritis".
Now how stupid is that!?
I suggest that if you can get into a hot tub or sauna while you're on abx. This external cellular hyperthermia may help the abx get to critical areas imbedded in your cns and muscles etc.
I was IGG positive with five bands. Which was good enough for the CDC who I had to report to but not good enough for this Idiot duck!
I also suggest getting your hands on a tens unit...it's an electric muscular stimulator.
I believe mine helped to re-awaken muscles and more imortantly nerves in areas that were affected by the lyme dissemination....who knows maybe it even fried a few of the little buggers.
If you dumn duck won't give you one...you can go to one of those television channels that sells stuff and get DR. HO's machine....IT's not as good but will suffice.
zman
Troup Brazelton
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posted December 01, 2006 09:15 AM
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Mike
The way my LLMD explained the recovery of motor functions in lyme cases was that the neurotoxin had interupted the information flow. It only takes a small amount and can stay in place for an unknown time frame. But, as those people that take botox for various problems know, the body will seek out and remove toxins. Botox is usually gone within a year and a new shot is required.
The trick is to kill the lyme to stop the production of neruotoxins so whatever time frame your body uses to rid itself of toxins, it will eventual do so.
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richtersl
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posted December 01, 2006 11:18 AM
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Hi Mike,
Welcome to Lymenet. I'm sorry you're not doing well.
I don't have any experience directly with Lyme and ALS other than I recommended a co-worker's friend with ALS see an LLMD.
This co-worker's friend was being treated for ALS and doing very poorly. According to his friend the guy could barely move and had given up.
The co-worker had told me about him a year ago and I gave him the number of an LLMD, told him that Lyme is often misdiagnosed as ALS, and that his friend should seek a second opinion from this LLMD. Well, the ducks this guy was seeing convinced him that there's NO WAY he had Lyme so he never called.
Come this past August the fellow is now dying and the ducks had given him two months to live. The co-worker had told him about the CD-57 test and said that he could request that test from the hospital where he was at. The ducks first refused, then took a blood sample for the test. They never told him the results, even after repeated requests.
Out of desperation the co-worker asks me again from the LLMD's number. I gave it to him and told him to stress to the guy's wife to call that number ASAP.
To make a long story short, the wife followed up on this and he saw the LLMD. A Lyme test was given and he was put on antibiotics. Within two weeks he had energy to walk around again and was starting to put weight back on. From what I understand, folks with ALS do not gain weight.
This fellow tested positive for Lyme on the CD-57 test.
Though he still has a ways to go, he is now getting his life back and is at least moving in the right direction.
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Linda
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SForsgren
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posted December 01, 2006 11:21 AM
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There was a doctor that presented at the ILADS conference in October that had ALS himself and was later diagnosed with Lyme. Started on Rocpehin and had a remarkable recovery including of some motor function, etc. Was so pleased with his results that he started a clinic aimed at people that have ALS and overall, the results have been promising. If you want more specifics, I can probably find them. PM me or email me through my site. Be well
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In Better Health, Scott
You can reach me through my articles at www.PublicHealthAlert.org
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Lymetoo
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posted December 01, 2006 11:30 AM
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Wow, Linda! What a story!
Welcome Mike! I do have these links on ALS and Lyme.
ALS/LYME
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=037392#000021
http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/lyme.htm
cave76
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posted December 01, 2006 12:28 PM
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This is an interesting topic for me since I've been in contact with a man diagnosed with ALS plus Lyme.
However, so far he's not had a positive response to the Rocephin IV. Of course, we're all hoping for some improvement.
One little point, Linda, and I'm only saying this so any newbie won't get the wrong impression: You said:
***This fellow tested positive for Lyme on the CD-57 test.***
That test can not tell if a person is positive for Lyme or not. It's a test that was devised by an llmd to see if there's any correlation between the "numbers" and the disease progression.
So far, it's not been able to definitively 'prove' a direct relationship. But it certainly has some bearing--- which will hopefully found in the future.
See http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/strickerpanel.html
Newbies: it's not a test to see if you have Lyme disease or not. It may be useful in the future to track the disease progression. So far that hasn't matured.
[ 01. December 2006, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: cave76 ]
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cave76
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richtersl
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posted December 01, 2006 02:26 PM
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Thanks for the correction, Cave. I've seen your posts on that test and I appreciate you jumping in.
Now I'm not sure which test he was positive on. But I guess it really doesn't matter right now, because he's shown dramatic (according to his friend) improvement upon getting treated for LD.
If I find out anything else on him, I'll post an update in this thread.
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Linda
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cave76
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posted December 01, 2006 03:31 PM
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The doctor who spoke at ILADS who had been diagnosed with ALS noted that, although he had ALS symptoms, he also has symptoms inconsistent with ALS. That was why he kept searching for another answer.
PM
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Mike-
It took a good 18months before I started feeling better and I'd say I'm at 50% of my old self after 3 1/2 years of treatment. I had trouble walking, I forgot how to swallow (that lasted a few weeks). I also had trouble lifting my arms.
One doc diagnosed me with ALS about 8 years ago but now has reversed himself s as I have gained weight and muscle matter. My strength is much better.
I was also diagnosed MS and 'some yet undetermined degenerative neurological disease'.
I feel fine walking now, I still get tired and still have major relapses (probably herxes) but I have not trouble swallowing, I can breathe better now. I have even been able to work consistently over the last 6 months (part-time but up to 30 hours a week).
Keep working at it. I did a lot of hot baths and a friend took me to a sauna regularly. You want someone around after that - as it makes you really week. I also went to physical therapy at the 2 year mark regularly and did limited physical therapy at the 18 month mark.
Also, have twitches here and there but I used to have them all over my body. My palms are still sweaty.
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canadianmike
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posted December 02, 2006 09:46 AM
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thanks for all the replies. are cold hands aND feet part of als?
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vachick
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posted December 02, 2006 01:34 PM
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I don't think cold hands and feet are part of ALS...at least it is not a main symptom.
True, not perceived, muscle weakness followed by cramping and twitching are the main symptoms. In the case of Bulbar onset ALS, it can present as slurred speech and difficulty swallowing, mainly liquids.
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canadianmike
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posted December 02, 2006 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Aniek:
The doctor who spoke at ILADS who had been diagnosed with ALS noted that, although he had ALS symptoms, he also has symptoms inconsistent with ALS. That was why he kept searching for another answer.
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What symptoms of lyme are not consistent with ALS? I've heard people talk of this before, but never specify the symptoms.
I have tingling in the hands and feet, sweaty palms, oily skin on my forehead, hands will be cold even in a warm room, hot flashes, muscle attrophy, twitching and cramping that is on and off, balance issues, night sweats that cleared up with tetra, dark urine cleared up, slurred speech, sensitivity to light and sound, joint pain, ice pick headaches, ETC.
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wrotek
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posted December 02, 2006 09:20 PM
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Dr Lida Mattman believes that ALS, MS and Lyme are three diseases caused by different Borrelia species . For example ALS Bb spirochete is growing very fast, MS Bb has diffent cysts etc.
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pq
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posted December 03, 2006 01:21 AM
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“What symptoms of lyme are not consistent with ALS? I've heard people talk of this before, but never specify the symptoms.” candianmike
These links will help for starters:
http://actionlyme.org/ALS_&_Lyme_47%.htm
http://actionlyme.org/BIOMARKERS.htm
http://actionlyme.org/Pathology_indices.htm
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Travlr1
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posted December 08, 2006 11:02 PM
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Canadian mike,
Diagnosed with AlS by national level neuromuscular doc. Went on IV Rocephin and in 2 1/2 months regianed 15 pounds of muscle(just with activities of daily living,no exercising)with some strength gains also.
Even with an indeterminate western blot (did you have genus specific bands +)and an ALS diagnosis
I would get the central line of choice and start Rocephin(as long as your not allergic) asap and closely watch your response.
There was a small study done by a university on the east coast where 9 seropositve(for lyme)ALS patients were given fairly short (I think 1-2 months course of Rocephin) 3 improved dramatically 3 stayed the same,and 3 became worse.Now this is a very small study group, but even 30% improving is huge with a disease that is usually a terminal illness.
I definitely benefited from Rocephin(after failing on oral abx) and although I don't considered myself cured I am stronger and hold more muscle mass now(1 year later)than my lowest point.I am not a MD so this is just my personal opinion based upon my experience. If your not already with an LLMD get with one and go for Vitamin R!(healthcare workers term for rocephin)
Take care,
Travlr1
For those of us, who are in unknown land (Normal EMG, NO ALS diagnosed and they don't know what the heck is up with us).....Here is a good explanation:
Author Topic: any other ALS diagnosis?
canadianmike
Flash Member
Member # 10716
posted November 30, 2006 10:31 PM
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Hi all,
I'm wondering if there's anyone else on here who was originally diagnosed with ALS but is now being treated for lyme? This was the case for me and I've been lurking on here hoping to find others. I see we are few.
I'm being treated by Dr.B with mild success, but the improvements i've noticed haven't impacted my everyday activities.
Diagnosed with ALS Nov. 04, diagnosed with lyme Jan, 06 even though Igenex test was IND.
Started on three months of tetra and noticed improvements in joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and strength. Switched to Amoxy and didn't notice anything else for four months. I am now on Mepron / Azythro for the past three weeks and have noticed improvements in twitching and sweaty palms.
I haven't noticed any improvements in motor function and I'm wondering if there's anyone out there that can offer me a little encouragement with your experiences.
I'm hoping to be able to rebuild some muscle and
I'm wondering what has helped others in my situation. Thanks in advance.
David95928
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Mike, I can't comment directly but noticed yesterday tht there is a section in the newbie links on Lyme and als.
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David
lymie tony z
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Member # 5130
posted December 01, 2006 07:21 AM
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Hi Mike,
While I was never officially diagnosed with als my first appointment with an ID duck came back with a letter to my PCP at the time that I "might have ALS" among other things.
This idiot duck also said...he did'nt trust Igenex lab results.
He told me "I don't think you have lyme disease, but I'll treat you for lyme arthritis".
Now how stupid is that!?
I suggest that if you can get into a hot tub or sauna while you're on abx. This external cellular hyperthermia may help the abx get to critical areas imbedded in your cns and muscles etc.
I was IGG positive with five bands. Which was good enough for the CDC who I had to report to but not good enough for this Idiot duck!
I also suggest getting your hands on a tens unit...it's an electric muscular stimulator.
I believe mine helped to re-awaken muscles and more imortantly nerves in areas that were affected by the lyme dissemination....who knows maybe it even fried a few of the little buggers.
If you dumn duck won't give you one...you can go to one of those television channels that sells stuff and get DR. HO's machine....IT's not as good but will suffice.
zman
Troup Brazelton
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Member # 6297
posted December 01, 2006 09:15 AM
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Mike
The way my LLMD explained the recovery of motor functions in lyme cases was that the neurotoxin had interupted the information flow. It only takes a small amount and can stay in place for an unknown time frame. But, as those people that take botox for various problems know, the body will seek out and remove toxins. Botox is usually gone within a year and a new shot is required.
The trick is to kill the lyme to stop the production of neruotoxins so whatever time frame your body uses to rid itself of toxins, it will eventual do so.
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richtersl
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posted December 01, 2006 11:18 AM
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Hi Mike,
Welcome to Lymenet. I'm sorry you're not doing well.
I don't have any experience directly with Lyme and ALS other than I recommended a co-worker's friend with ALS see an LLMD.
This co-worker's friend was being treated for ALS and doing very poorly. According to his friend the guy could barely move and had given up.
The co-worker had told me about him a year ago and I gave him the number of an LLMD, told him that Lyme is often misdiagnosed as ALS, and that his friend should seek a second opinion from this LLMD. Well, the ducks this guy was seeing convinced him that there's NO WAY he had Lyme so he never called.
Come this past August the fellow is now dying and the ducks had given him two months to live. The co-worker had told him about the CD-57 test and said that he could request that test from the hospital where he was at. The ducks first refused, then took a blood sample for the test. They never told him the results, even after repeated requests.
Out of desperation the co-worker asks me again from the LLMD's number. I gave it to him and told him to stress to the guy's wife to call that number ASAP.
To make a long story short, the wife followed up on this and he saw the LLMD. A Lyme test was given and he was put on antibiotics. Within two weeks he had energy to walk around again and was starting to put weight back on. From what I understand, folks with ALS do not gain weight.
This fellow tested positive for Lyme on the CD-57 test.
Though he still has a ways to go, he is now getting his life back and is at least moving in the right direction.
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Linda
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SForsgren
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posted December 01, 2006 11:21 AM
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There was a doctor that presented at the ILADS conference in October that had ALS himself and was later diagnosed with Lyme. Started on Rocpehin and had a remarkable recovery including of some motor function, etc. Was so pleased with his results that he started a clinic aimed at people that have ALS and overall, the results have been promising. If you want more specifics, I can probably find them. PM me or email me through my site. Be well
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In Better Health, Scott
You can reach me through my articles at www.PublicHealthAlert.org
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Lymetoo
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Member # 743
posted December 01, 2006 11:30 AM
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Wow, Linda! What a story!
Welcome Mike! I do have these links on ALS and Lyme.
ALS/LYME
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=037392#000021
http://home.goulburn.net.au/~shack/lyme.htm
cave76
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posted December 01, 2006 12:28 PM
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This is an interesting topic for me since I've been in contact with a man diagnosed with ALS plus Lyme.
However, so far he's not had a positive response to the Rocephin IV. Of course, we're all hoping for some improvement.
One little point, Linda, and I'm only saying this so any newbie won't get the wrong impression: You said:
***This fellow tested positive for Lyme on the CD-57 test.***
That test can not tell if a person is positive for Lyme or not. It's a test that was devised by an llmd to see if there's any correlation between the "numbers" and the disease progression.
So far, it's not been able to definitively 'prove' a direct relationship. But it certainly has some bearing--- which will hopefully found in the future.
See http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/strickerpanel.html
Newbies: it's not a test to see if you have Lyme disease or not. It may be useful in the future to track the disease progression. So far that hasn't matured.
[ 01. December 2006, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: cave76 ]
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cave76
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richtersl
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posted December 01, 2006 02:26 PM
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Thanks for the correction, Cave. I've seen your posts on that test and I appreciate you jumping in.
Now I'm not sure which test he was positive on. But I guess it really doesn't matter right now, because he's shown dramatic (according to his friend) improvement upon getting treated for LD.
If I find out anything else on him, I'll post an update in this thread.
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Linda
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cave76
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posted December 01, 2006 03:31 PM
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The doctor who spoke at ILADS who had been diagnosed with ALS noted that, although he had ALS symptoms, he also has symptoms inconsistent with ALS. That was why he kept searching for another answer.
PM
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Mike-
It took a good 18months before I started feeling better and I'd say I'm at 50% of my old self after 3 1/2 years of treatment. I had trouble walking, I forgot how to swallow (that lasted a few weeks). I also had trouble lifting my arms.
One doc diagnosed me with ALS about 8 years ago but now has reversed himself s as I have gained weight and muscle matter. My strength is much better.
I was also diagnosed MS and 'some yet undetermined degenerative neurological disease'.
I feel fine walking now, I still get tired and still have major relapses (probably herxes) but I have not trouble swallowing, I can breathe better now. I have even been able to work consistently over the last 6 months (part-time but up to 30 hours a week).
Keep working at it. I did a lot of hot baths and a friend took me to a sauna regularly. You want someone around after that - as it makes you really week. I also went to physical therapy at the 2 year mark regularly and did limited physical therapy at the 18 month mark.
Also, have twitches here and there but I used to have them all over my body. My palms are still sweaty.
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canadianmike
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posted December 02, 2006 09:46 AM
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thanks for all the replies. are cold hands aND feet part of als?
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vachick
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posted December 02, 2006 01:34 PM
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I don't think cold hands and feet are part of ALS...at least it is not a main symptom.
True, not perceived, muscle weakness followed by cramping and twitching are the main symptoms. In the case of Bulbar onset ALS, it can present as slurred speech and difficulty swallowing, mainly liquids.
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canadianmike
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posted December 02, 2006 08:20 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by Aniek:
The doctor who spoke at ILADS who had been diagnosed with ALS noted that, although he had ALS symptoms, he also has symptoms inconsistent with ALS. That was why he kept searching for another answer.
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What symptoms of lyme are not consistent with ALS? I've heard people talk of this before, but never specify the symptoms.
I have tingling in the hands and feet, sweaty palms, oily skin on my forehead, hands will be cold even in a warm room, hot flashes, muscle attrophy, twitching and cramping that is on and off, balance issues, night sweats that cleared up with tetra, dark urine cleared up, slurred speech, sensitivity to light and sound, joint pain, ice pick headaches, ETC.
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wrotek
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Member # 5354
posted December 02, 2006 09:20 PM
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Dr Lida Mattman believes that ALS, MS and Lyme are three diseases caused by different Borrelia species . For example ALS Bb spirochete is growing very fast, MS Bb has diffent cysts etc.
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pq
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posted December 03, 2006 01:21 AM
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“What symptoms of lyme are not consistent with ALS? I've heard people talk of this before, but never specify the symptoms.” candianmike
These links will help for starters:
http://actionlyme.org/ALS_&_Lyme_47%.htm
http://actionlyme.org/BIOMARKERS.htm
http://actionlyme.org/Pathology_indices.htm
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Travlr1
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posted December 08, 2006 11:02 PM
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Canadian mike,
Diagnosed with AlS by national level neuromuscular doc. Went on IV Rocephin and in 2 1/2 months regianed 15 pounds of muscle(just with activities of daily living,no exercising)with some strength gains also.
Even with an indeterminate western blot (did you have genus specific bands +)and an ALS diagnosis
I would get the central line of choice and start Rocephin(as long as your not allergic) asap and closely watch your response.
There was a small study done by a university on the east coast where 9 seropositve(for lyme)ALS patients were given fairly short (I think 1-2 months course of Rocephin) 3 improved dramatically 3 stayed the same,and 3 became worse.Now this is a very small study group, but even 30% improving is huge with a disease that is usually a terminal illness.
I definitely benefited from Rocephin(after failing on oral abx) and although I don't considered myself cured I am stronger and hold more muscle mass now(1 year later)than my lowest point.I am not a MD so this is just my personal opinion based upon my experience. If your not already with an LLMD get with one and go for Vitamin R!(healthcare workers term for rocephin)
Take care,
Travlr1