Confirmed dysphagia and unilateral bulbar weakness

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Qasharah

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I'm not sure exactly why I am writing this. I have read through posts, to see if there were others in my similar situation, and I did recognize things here and there, both from those confirmed to have ALS and those undiagnosed. I guess I'm doing this because I am in a true diagnostic limbo. I'm being sent to UF Shands Gainesville, but they're not making urgent appointments at this time, so I'm now in search of somewhere to go, where I can be seen sooner than March of 2025.

I'm a 33 (34 tomorrow actually) female. This all seemed to begin about a year and a half ago, and it has been a slow steady and progressive decline. I first noticed that I could not run or jump, and that I had lost the ability to hit certain pitches when I sang, couldn't yell, and I would get out of breath when singing or talking for too long. The mental and physical fatigue and diffuse pain was all I could think about for the first year, until I got the pain managed finally (and blessedly). But now it's very apparent there's an insidious disease process going on inside of me, and it's hard to get any answers.

The most pronounced issues, confirmed by my very wonderful Speech Language Therapist and a modified barium swallow test, are right sided tongue, lip, soft palate, and jaw muscle weakness (with loss of gag and cough reflex), and deep laryngeal penetration of thin liquids, with possible silent aspiration. I also am suffering from difficulties with my right hand: loss of dexterity, cramping, weakness (making this very difficult to type up), and generally diffuse muscle fatigue with left sided upper/lower proximal clinical weakness and right sided upper/lower distal clinical weakness of 4/5.

I have had many tests done so far, including the modified barium swallow study, which will be repeated tomorrow, as well as one upper/lower EMG/NCS which found ulnar nerve issues on right arm/hand and some on left; a few brain MRIs, one throat MRI, a couple cervical MRIs, and one full spine MRI: showing degenerative disc disease, bulging discs, three herniated discs, and hypertrophic facet arthropathy in cervical spine with some foraminal narrowing but no cord impingement, and hypertrophic facet arthropathy in lumbar spine, with a clean thoracic, brain, and throat MRI, and an X-ray showing minor lumbar scoliosis and cervical kyphosis. Also, I had upright spirometry done 6 months ago, but I'm having a hard time locating it to see the numbers, but I remember the FVC was eighty something percent, MIP was sixty something percent, MEP was fifty something percent, and MVV was 52%. All my labs are fairly normal, and I even lowered my overall cholesterol 55 points over the last year.

I have a history of hypertension, tachycardia, ADHD, and PTSD, that is all very well managed, with medication and therapy (CBT and DBT).

I am currently focused on symptom management, through medication and speech and physical therapy. And it's the speech and physical therapists who have been recognizing my issues more than anyone, because due to how well I'm handling everything, doctors are not getting hands on with appointments and actually doing exams on me. My speech therapist was the first person to do the bulbar testing, and she found weakness immediately, but explained that I'm very good with precision strength, so I'm able to correct for my weakness without even realizing it at times. But it's all progressing, so I believe the muscles I'm using to compensate are also starting to falter.

I had a neurologist, but he didn't seem to want to get involved any further than the basic testing, and that's who's sending me to UF Shands. All other doctors have just been helping me manage my symptoms, because no one knows what's happening.

I believe, as does my Speech Therapist, that it is more than likely Myasthenia Gravis, although I tested negative for both antibodies, but I know there is a 5% chance of a seronegative type, and there ARE tests for it that just have not been ordered yet. I'm going to have my GP refer me urgently to a different neurologist, preferably neuromuscular specialist, so I can at least see if I can get started on an empirical trial of Mestinon, so I can hopefully receive both relief and answers sooner rather than later.

I know this is an ALS forum, and I recognize I just typed out a maelstrom of large amounts of information that may or may not add up to this being ALS, but I HAVE absolutely been helped by this forum, through advice I've gleaned from those affected by a diagnosis helping each other, AND from those long past, who have offered such incredibly sage and helpful wisdom over the years, that has not been wasted on me. I have become so much more present through all of this, and I have learned to adapt and adjust at every turn, and to truly enjoy those around me, and my own mind even, in the midst of an impossibly difficult journey I suddenly found myself on.

I guess I'm just writing this to put it all in one place, to offer a vociferous thank you, and to ask if this sounds remotely like it could be a motor neuron disease, with a mostly clean EMG and only minor loss of function over a year and a half of symptoms.

Thank you,
Qasharah
 
Well as you said you and your slp are leaning toward seronegative mg

You obviously need a neuro that will take more of a proactive role and work on a diagnosis. Long waits are becoming more and more of an issue unfortunately but March of next year is tough. For that can you get on a cancel list? In the meantime are you willing/ able to travel? Does your insurance restrict you? We do have Florida members - not sure if anyone is close to you and Florida is a big state!
 
Thank you for replying, Nikki. I absolutely adore you, by the way.

But yes, that's what I was hoping I could garner from this interaction: some kind of information on somewhere I could be seen urgently, and by someone who is willing to diligently work with me to find what's happening.

It's been weird, to say the least. Doctors don't seem interested in helping me, or they don't have the tools. I'm in the Tallahassee area, and you'd think there would be lots of options here, but I went to one of the best, and he wasn't even willing to go further with anything beyond MRIs and EMG... and he literally barely touched me, but I believe he's dealing with his own health issues, so I was understanding. But I'm so exhausted with the system, and I just want someone to be interested in finding out what's happening. I want to be able to rest and stop going to the wrong doctors with no treatment or answers. So if I can find the answer to where I should go from here, this forum will be a godsend.

I absolutely am willing to travel, just to get to a place where I can receive proper help. My Mom is the one taking care of me, but she's in her late 60s, and dealing with her own stuff, and I'm doing all the medical stuff on my own, while she takes care of me financially, but that's not going to be able to last, because she's about to retire. And it's all just so frustrating. So we all want answers and some form of relief, and we all believe the relief will come from a diagnosis and hopefully treatment and/or disability and assistance.

Thanks to anyone for responding, but especially those with your own debilitating disease. I understand mental and physical exhaustion, like I've never known before now.

And thank you again, Nikki, for reaffirming that this is most likely not ALS, but that I do deserve to find help.
 
My geography for Florida is very fuzzy. In general if you probably want a university level neuro there are plenty in Florida like Mayo, UMiami, USF, Holy Cross, UF. There are no doubt others. If any seem doable you could call and see what their wait times and cancellation policies are. There is nothing to keep you from making multiple appointments and canceling.

You might just need a more aggressive general neuro to get started but that is a really local recommendation. Can you ask your pcp and slp?

I have noted a trend to hands off medicine these days I don’t think your neuro is unusual. And waits are terrible. I don’t know what the new patient wait is at mgh where I go Those are different slots than regular clinic but when I made my last appointment her next available was 7 months out and I didn’t request a special time or anything
 
I guess I have to persist with this being others don’t want
to mention it.

ALS is a rare disease, even more it is extremely extremely
rare for someone in their early 30s to be diagnosed with
ALS, even more a female over males.

You have that going for you so much.

“But they're but they're not making urgent appointments
at this time.” (they're not making urgent appointments.)

(I'd bet that could put them in a legal situation with
their urgent patient referrals from qualified Neuros if
they didn't.) Well, that's that one place.

That’s in your favor too.

I hope your complicated situation get resolved soon in
your future. Being just 34 you have some of the greatest
time to live ahead of you.
 
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I didn’t read the whole thread, but I just wanted to say that my husband was urgently seen by various doctors through the diagnostic process. He was diagnosed with ALS.

I wish you all the best and I don’t think anyone on the forum is able to tell you if it’s ALS or not. But I hope it’s not!
 
I gather your EMG was normal in terms of ALS signals. I infer that at least one of your meds affects the CNS, and toxicity/side effects can build up over time, so possible med titration/holidays could be something to explore with whoever prescribed them.

MIP and MEP are usually expressed as absolute values of cm H20, not percentages, so not sure what to make of what you describe. If you happen to find/post the report, that could be helpful. However, spine deformities can certainly lead to impaired breathing, with no relationship to neuromuscular disease.

If you're willing to travel, here is a center map of ALS clinics, where likely there are also MG-savvy docs. The MG Foundation of America also has a search tool for docs on their site. There are 29 neuros listed in Florida.

 
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