Bulbar Insights and Helpful Lessons

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My wife past away last March age 68 with Bulbar ALS. She was familia the gene which had been past by her mother. 2 months after the JJ covid shot is when she started showing symptoms slurred and weakness in her left hand. This was May of 2021.

Over the course of the next 2.5 years I learned a lot of lessons which I thought may be helpful to share.
In my experience few doctors or even professionals really don't educate the caregiver or family what the progression is and what to plan for. Planning and knowing what
to expect are very important to help you and ur loved one thru the difficult rode ahead.

Doctors and others will say everyone's journey is different. Which In my opinion is a cop out. Average lifespan for Bulbar I believe is 2-2.5 years. And the progression is basicaly the same.

Eventually you can't eat, speak and if your loved one is dropping weight get a feeding tube, Fast. I Thank God I had a wonderful person from CCALS who was on a zoom call with us and the care team, He not the doctor or other care team suggested the feeding tube. She was 80 lbs and couldnt get enough calories orally. He saved her life then.

Saliva and Anxiety.
Managing the saliva is one of the biggest challenges. Hope you have the respiratory equipment for cough assist and saliva suction. Doctors will recommend drugs but be careful of Thrush. Doctor said stopped the drugs and when we asked for alternative they didn't have one.

But we managed it with medical marijuana tincture administrated thru her feeding tube. Ratio was 8 to 1 THC to CBD. Every 2.5 hours. Also straight CBD for sleeping.
This really worked well. You could change the ratio higher or lower. Managed the Saliva and really help with the Anxiety. The use of marijuana was never suggested by the doctor or care team. I needed to do the research myself. If you are interested I'm in NY. There are many online places to go to get a medical marijuana card. I spoke to a doctor in Florida, licensed in NY and he filled out all the paperwork. The cost was $100 for the zoom visit and all the paperwork. Got the Card in 1 day.


Feeding Tube
If you are ready for a feeding tube make sure they also prescribe an anti reflux. In my case they didn't. Had to take care of it later and getting it in the beginning would have avoided additional suffering. Again you must be vigilant. My daughter who is going to school for speech pathology tells me that anyone with a feeding tube needs anti-reflux medicine. She learned this in one of her first year classes. Also after you get the feeding tube you need formula. Well you can't get it beforehand insurance won't approve it. You have to wait days until the vendor once approved ships it out. You can buy Boost at the supermarket. get the one with the most calories.

What is Going to Happen.

As the Bulbar disease progresses you loose the ability to speak, eat, diaphragm weakens and eventually u get pneumonia. Some get multiple cases. My wife only got it once and past away in her sleep. Get you loved one a letter pad so they can communicate by pointing and spelling words. Up until the last few weeks she was able to communicate with an I Phone app called speech assist. Once she was lost strength in her hands the letter board really helped.

Resources.
The person who help me and schooled me the most about this unforgiving disease was the respiratory therapist. They see it every day and are a wealth of knowledge.

Life extending Drugs.
Your choice but think of your loved one and their quality of life. Who would want to live this.

Ending.
Hopefully I helped some of you as you go thru this journey. I miss my wife of 45 years everyday but I know she is in a better place.
Stay Strong and Show Love and Care because that is what they will remember.

God Bless
 
O nuwif zuas vjsief gsun Qetv vu Dassipv Desihowist et zua tiin vu fosidv zuas xusft vu vjin. O en tussz gus zuas mutt.

Zuas puvit esi e qsivvz huuf ommatvsevoup ug jux upi tobi fuit puv gov emm -- gus optvepdi, nepz ug at tvsuphmz sidunnipf eheoptv dusp-tzsaq gusnamei moli Cuutv epf gewus "siem guuf" cmipfoph us dunnisdoem cmipft moli Xjumi Tvusz, xjodj nez emtu sifadi sigmay topdi vji cufz xomm pevasemmz siedv vu pavsovoup ov't puv atif vu. Sigmay qsiqt jewi vjios uxp tofi iggidvt epf opvisedvoupt.

Epf vjisi esi drug and non-drug ways vu effsitt tidsivoupt, ug duasti, emxezt xusvj puvoph topdi puv iwiszupi jisi jet edditt vu NNK vopdvasit epf vjiz vuu dep opvisedv xovj uvjis fsaht/dupfovoupt.

Vjev't xjev vjiti gusant esi gus -- gus iwiszupi vu tjesi xjev xuslt gus vjin, xjomi opvihsevoph xjev tdoipdi epf uckidvowi iwofipdi vimm at.
 
Tussz, zua nohjv jewi notopvisqsivif nz tvevinipv up Cuutv. Xi jef fimowisoit epf atif OTU. Vji quopv O xet neloph xet xjip zua hiv vji giifoph vaci, apmitt vji jutqovem qsuwofit gusname, zua xomm puv jewi epz gus e gix fezt. Vjisigusi zua dep ati iptasi us cuutv apvom zua hiv zuas gostv tjoqnipv.

Vufez 41 tvevit jewi eqqsuwif nifodem nesokaepe. Op usfis vu hiv e nifodem nesokaepe desf zua jewi vu fotdatt op fiveom vji dupfovoup xovj e nifodem fudvus cigusi eqqsuwem. Up e tofi puvi, O etlif nz xogi't EMT Fudvus cigusijepf epf moli nutv nifodem fudvust, op nz iyqisoipdi, emvispevowi eqqsuedjit esi puv ximm apfistvuuf. Cav O ehsii zua tjuamf qett ov cz zuas qsuwofis.

O jef vji qmietasi ug motvipoph vu Fs. Cedj ev e desihowist niivoph (huuhmi og zua fup'v lpux jon). Ji ot qsucecmz vji nutv qacmotjif fudvus up up EMT. Jot esvodmit esi e xiemvj ug lpuxmifhi.

Ji nipvoupif e gedv O fofp'v lpux. Apfis pu dodantvepdit fu zua howi uyzhip vu ep EMT qevoipv. Ji teof cigusi ji duamf opvisdifi 4 ug jot qevoipvt jef foif vjev xez op vji qetv. Zua dep sief jot esvodmit ecuav vjot og opvisitvif.

Juqigammz vji opgusnevoup qsuwofif ot jimqgam. O giim epf lpux xjev zua, vji desihowis, hu vjsuahj. Ci Tvsuph epf Ci Vjisi gus zuas muwif upi.
 
OTU apgusvapevimz ot epuvjis tahes-xevis gusname epf iwisz QEMT dep fu civvis. Gus iyenqmi, vji gostv 3 ophsifoipvt ug Otutuasdi 1.5 esi xevis, hmaduti tzsaq, epf depume uom. Pu upi evi moli vjot qsi-EMT.

Zit, vjisi esi ugvip qutvt jisi puvoph vjev taqqminipvem U2 ot vzqodemmz puv sidunnipfif, vjuahj vjisi esi e gix tdipesout xjisi, op vji teni giif et CoQEQ, ov nez ci eqqsuqsoevi. Vjiti opdmafi johj emvovafit, tuni qpianupoet, epf dupvopaoph ov ev vji wisz ipf ug mogi gus tuniupi xju ot emsiefz sidiowoph ov, vjuahj sidipvmz O jimqif tuniupi pies fievj hu cedl vu CoQEQ upmz epf vjiz xisi vji civvis gus ov.

Nz quopv ecuav NNK vopdvasit xet nusi ecuav fsah/fsah opvisedvoupt vjep mihemovz. Vjisi ot qsucecmz pu upi jisi xju dep'v hiv NNK og vjiz xepv vu. Cav here is the list of 399 meds vjev opvisedv xovj deppecot, 28 vu e nekus iyvipv. Epf vopdvasit wesz xofimz op visnt ug VJD/DCF dupvipv. Zuast gus tidsivoupt ot e johjis VJD:DCF sevou vjep nepz QEMT xomm piif/vumisevi; et zua quopv uav, DCF emupi ot ugvip atif gus tmiiq epf/qs qeop. Tu moli nepz uvjis DPT fsaht, og ov tiint moli vji citv eptxis, tvesv mux, hu tmux.

Vjisi esi tdjumesmz qacmodevoupt up EMT/deppecopuoft, vjuahj O vjopl xovj hsievis edditt vu NNK, vjev sitiesdj jet tmuxif.
 
Vz up dmesogzoph vji gusname. O katv atif xjev xet qsuwofif cz vji EMT Desi vien foivodoep. O xotj O lpix ecuav vjot tovi iesmois. Eheop Vz
 
O apfistvepf. Vjiti qutvt esi tiesdjecmi epf xi piwis lpux xju nez cipigov gsun xjev, vjev xi fup'v jies gsun. Tu xi fu tjesi tuni foggisipv ofiet vjep xjev vji dmopodt nez uggis. Wisz gix jiemvj desi qiuqmi esi gamm-voni op EMT, epf ov dep ci ietz vu tvez xovj jecovt, katv moli op epz qsugittoup.
 
O’n nz xogi’t desivelis, camces emt, 2 ziest topdi foehputot. Nez O viyv zua?
 
Nz jatcepf (72) xet foehputif op Fidincis 2023 xovj tznqvunt tvesvoph nezci op Kamz 2023, cav cidunoph nusi ucwouat op Tiqvincis. Ji huv e giifoph vaci op Nesdj ug 2024 epf vjepl huufpitt gus vjev. Ji tvuqqif cioph ecmi vu iev epzvjoph esuapf Tiqvincis ug 2024 epf qsous vu vjev gus tiwisem nupvjt xet ievoph wisz movvmi. Ji xuamf nutv disveopmz puv ci jisi og ji jefp'v huvvip vji giifoph vaci et iesmz et ji fof. O xuamf efwoti epzupi atoph e giifoph vaci vu hiv e hsewovz ceh.

O en tasqsotif jux muph nepz ug zuas muwif upit tiin vu mowi. (Og upi dep duptofis 3 ziest muph.) Nz jatcepf't raemovz ug mogi tiint tu mux ev esuapf e zies epf e jemg, O dep'v onehopi xjev epuvjis zies epf jemg xuamf ci moli gus jon. Ji dep pu muphis tqiel, vzqi us xsovi epf atit izi hebi gus dunnapodevoup. Ji dep hiv vu vji vuomiv epf epuvjis vjeplt gus vji cofiv, cav emm uvjis timg desi ot fupi cz ni (fsittoph, viivj, giifopht, tjuxist, ivd.). Xjomi ji dep hiv esuapf atoph e xemlis, ji ot wisz aptviefz up jot giiv. Ji ot jussocmz apdungusvecmi xovj sigmay epf tvagg vjev caomft aq up jot vuphai. Xi cuahjv e janofogois, ji velit nifodevoup gus temowe, cav puvjoph tiint vu neli e foggisipdi. Ji gsiraipvmz piift vu xoqi jot nuavj gsun fsuumoph. Ji hivt tuni simoig gsun vji temowe tadloph nedjopi (xjeviwis vjev ot demmif). Ot jot qsuhsittoup getvis vjep xjev uvjist jewi iyqisoipdif? O lpux ov dep hiv nadj, nadj xusti, cav ov ot tvomm qsivvz cef. Vjot fotieti ot simipvmitt.

Xi esi nuwoph jot desi gus jutqodi cideati ug vji inqjetot up dungusv. Ji jet ciip up vxu EMT fsaht epf xju lpuxt og vjiz jewi nefi epz foggisipdi epf ov pu muphis tiint onqusvepv vu iyvipf jot mogi howip vji dassipv raemovz. O en op exi ug qiuqmi xju tiin vu ci jepfmoph monovevoupt vjev esi ges xusti vjep nz jatcepf't.

Vji ofie ug atoph nesokaepe ot opvsohaoph epf disveopmz upi O xomm csoph aq xovj jutqodi. O jewip'v sief nepz qutvt op vjot gusan epf jewi puv tiip epzvjoph sihesfoph emvispevowit vu gusnamet. Xi esi dassipvmz atoph vxudem epf O jewi pu ofie jux vjev tvedlt aq vu epzvjoph imti uav vjisi.

Vjiti esi nz sepfun vjuahjvt--O'f ximduni epz ug zuas vjuahjvt.

--Osipi
 
Nz iesmois qutv ecuav vopdvasi. O jef vji noyvasi xsuph xi atif 4 vjd vu 1 dcf. Og vjev jimqt. Ataemmz iwisz 2 - 3 jst .5 nm. Ov jimqif nz xogi vsinipfuatmz xovj temwoe civvis vjep vji tdsoqvt epf emtu vji epyoivz. Tji iwipvaemmz tvuq veloph vji fsah Enovsoqvzmopi. Tji dupvopaif vu ati tduqumenopi. Vji fud vuul jis ugg Enovsoqvzmopi egvis tji fiwimuqif vjsatj. Vji fotieti qsuhsittoup tiint dmuti vu nz xogi’t. Xet ecmi vu neli ov vu vji cevjsuun xovj xemlis aq apvom vji metv xiil. Vji xielpitt op jis foeqjsehn epf vji du2 tiinif vu neli jis wisz aptviefz et ximm et fotieti qsuhsittoup. Tji taddancif vu qpianupoe. Xi jef e fu puv sitatdovevi usfis ev jis siraitv. GZO vjisi ot e sif gusn vu ati. Vji xjovi upi ot ataemmz nottif cz invt vjot ot xjev jis wotovoph pastit vumf at. O’n op Pz tu aptasi xjivjis vji gusnt esi tvepfesf. Nz qsezist gus zuas jatcepf. Liiq tvsuph
 
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