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Well we live in Canada where we are cursed with the evil "socialized medicine". I hate the fact that all of our prescriptions are covered other than some dispensing fee's and we haven't had to pay for a single Dr's appointment and have seen the top specialists in their respective fields. We didn't have to wait long for MRI's and all the necessary tests. ( I noticed there are no sarcasm tags on this website, and I just watched Sicko again the other night on TV so yes I am being facetious...lol) Mind you the wife and I have extended benefits from employers that I have to pay about 50 bux a month for to cover my entire family for prescriptions and short term and long term disability among other perks and 100% dental *(up to 3500 per person per calender year) Makes me proud to be a Canadian even though we don't own any of our resources anymore and we have lost our sovereignty thanks to people like Stephen Harper(that is an entire other rant), but I wouldn't trade our health care for anything in the world. I am thankful that the ALS society has stepped up and have provided us with many other things that would be out of the question if I had to purchase. Many of the items including the wifes new power chair (20 grand that thing is by the time the smoke clears) is covered under our medical. I paid 22K for my car and it came with power windows and cruise control and A/C ...just crazy. I can not even fathom what it would be like if we weren't covered for any of this and it all had to be out of pocket. The wife would be trapped in the house on a tricycle I probably would have had to steal from a neighborhood kid...lol
 
Steve, you are fortunate you have extended medical. I get nothing and if it was not for our ALS Association I would have had no choice but to die.
But I was not kidding when I said we are facing bankruptcy.

I am very happy for you that you have benefits. The one thing our country sucks at is if you were a small business owner there is nothing for you.

If I had of been an employee there would be some help, but absolutely nothing if you were a small business owner.

We get nothing.
 
joelc, I hope you didn't take it like I was bragging, cause I wasn't. I was just trying to point out the difference between the US health care system and the Canadian one that people like my aunt who lives in Texas calls evil. (I referenced the Michael Moore documentary Sicko) I was being sarcastic. I understand your situation. I was a small business owner too but there were plans available through insurance companies for people like you and me. A bit expensive but there was options. I had one. Again, I just wanted to clarify. I meant the post to only be tongue in cheek. Sorry if I offended. I should have read my post again before walking away from the computer. :/

EDIT: and to further clarify I am not anti-american either. Just anti-government...I guess I need to think more before I speak and make sure I spell it out as to not confuse or just say nothing at all....
 
Regardless of one's location or who is footing the bill, ALS is a dreadfully expensive encounter from many aspects.

It seems to me that a business school should have been enlisted long ago to help with some case studies of the obvious and more subtle costs of ALS. What a great way to engage some smart students to pull together some dollar figures (and to enlighten them at the same time)! Some comprehensive estimates of the many costs of ALS just might help build the business case for a greater investment in research.

As you all know, it is indeed an obvious money pit... that grows well beyond the patient to the caregivers and the families.
 
Steve and Joel, you're both right. We Canadians have the advantage of not having to directly pay for medical appointments and tests although the wait time can sometimes be longer than we'd like (I suspect that is not unique to our system). I have had no issues with either the quality of my medical care or with wait times and am very glad that I have not had to worry about having to pay for every clinic visit and test. Drug coverage is a different matter however, even within Canada there are different levels of coverage depending on your province of residence. Here in Alberta we have to pay for our own prescription drugs unless we pay for added insurance.

Other than doctor's visits and tests, I am worried about how I am going to pay for all of the other expenses that are likely in the future for me as I have very little extended health insurance and benefits. Our provincial government has some funding for devices such as speech devices, walkers, wheelchairs, lifting devices, etc and the local ALS society has loaners but they are limited in availability. Who can afford to lay out $20,000 for a wheelchair, let alone the cost of a vehicle to carry it? I worked for a very small company which could not afford the very expensive disability insurance so I agree with what Joel said, there is a big discrepancy between the benefits available to an employee of a large company or government and that available to a small business employee or owner.

I don't think that anyone who has ALS or is caring for someone with ALS can brag (and I never thought that you were, Steve). This disease is something that nobody wants to be associated with or to have to spend money on. I KNOW that I'd much rather spend $60k on a Corvette than on a powerchair and handicap van.

Anyway, good thread as I know it's something that we all worry about.

Barry
 
Steve, no need to apologize, I did not take it the wrong way at all and totally understood what you were saying.

I should have clarified what I was trying to say.

I have received a lot of correspondence from American friends who think we have it so much better than they do and some think everything is handed to us on a silver platter.
As Barry mentioned, it is very nice to go to a doctor and not have it cost us an arm and a leg. But that is where it stops. Without being able to afford expensive extended medical that is where it stops.
Having just started a new business I was not in a financial position to purchase private extended medical as it would have cost over $350.00 a month. I was going to do that later but ALS happened.
Also, being a business owner we can't pay for Employment Insurance or receive any benefits if the business fails or something like ALS happens where we can no longer work.
Again I could have purchased insurance for this at very high rates. Once again I did not have the $450.00 a month it would have cost.

In my misguided desire to make it clear that not all Canadians have it easy, I did not properly explain. Sorry Steve, you did not in anyway do anything wrong and it was not misunderstood.
 
Opps ... this turned into a rant ! Sorry ... but after all this typing I might as well post. :roll:

I think we're all getting stuck, at least somewhat, in our respective countries because our health care "systems" were created by politicians and big business. I have "free" supplemental insurance because I signed my Medicare benefits over to the insurance company. They obviously (and correctly) figured they could undercut what Medicare pays and make a profit on their insureds.

I've been going mano a mano with them for three months trying to get a leg brace. Medicare covers it, so by law my insurance (Blue Shield, which I lovingly think of as BS) must pay. After mulling it over for two months, they deemed it "not medically necessary." I had had six falls in five weeks when that little gem arrived in the mail. They listed all the ways I could protest the denial, including a "fast review" if I felt my health was in jeopardy by their decision. I hand delivered a request for a fast review to their nearby headquarters the next day. Regulations state they must review within 72 hours. Three weeks later, I was told I "didn't qualify" for a fast review of the denial, with no explanation. Fortunately my case manager was able to rap a few knuckles and finally get it OK'd.

My BiPap was ordered last November. I got one two months later that was the wrong model, with no choice of masks. It has been operational only about half the time. It hasn't worked for the last week or so, and I am dragging around like a sack of cement. Have never been this exhausted in my life.

After paying large copays at the time of delivery for the BiPap, suction unit and cough assist, I am suddenly getting bills from this company (for a BiPap that doesn't work!) for large monthly rental fees. Was never told they were rentals, as I would not have gotten the suction unit if I had known. There is no way I can pay these large monthly fees, especially for equipment that a) doesn't work, or b) I don't need yet. The supplier will not take the equipment back without a doctor's order, and since they screw up every doctor's order they get, I assume they'll be billing what we laughingly call my "estate" for the rental fees for years after I've croaked.

But, on the bright side, I can get meds that BS won't cover from South Africa and New Zealand, via my Canadian pharmacy (the American drug manufacturers cut off supplies to the Canadian pharmacy because they sold to elderly and poor Americans ... can't have that stuff going on ! ... so the pharm. orders from "sister pharmacies" elsewhere). Even with airmail shipping, the meds are still half the American price.

I think what is happening with my situation is that the insurance company has no inkling of the needs of an ALS patient. I'm sure they sent the leg brace prescription to a bone doctor for an OK, not a neurologist. I'm sure the reason for the denial of the denial review (geez !) was because it was deemed to be some kind of isolated leg problem, not a possibly fatal consequence of a neuro disease. Just as they stalled on the BiPap originally because I don't have sleep apnea.

This is where the rubber hits the road for all of us PALS. ALS is a little-known disease and except for specialists, the generally untrained medical providers don't have a clue what it takes to keep us alive. Or ... I hate to think this is true ... they just figure they can outlast us, and keep us buried in paperwork till they can bury us for good.

If it weren't for MDA and ALSA, I'm sure I would be in much worse shape than I am now (which is not too hot, but I'm still walking and typing and the sun is shining, so it's a good day). Thank God for charities !
 
Thanks for the reply Joel. Had me worried sick that I offended you. I am very sarcastic at the worst of times. I have learned in a very short period of time that my rose coloured glasses have smudges in them and it has left me a bit tainted.
 
Beth - my Anthem (Blue Cross) supplemental costs me $399 a month and then the Rx plan costs more. Luckily my bi-pap works but the provider has been billing me and not the supplemental. It is always hard. At least I can still be understood and am a bit of a hard-nose on the phone with them. I cannot imagine trying to sleep without the bi-pap. What a nightmare for you. Do you have a case manager? Might help if you don't.
 
Sharon ... I think come October, I will be switching away from the HMO, so that I can get some say over what doctors I see outside of UCLA. I do have a case manager (located in San Diego ... doncha love it?), and she kicked some butt and got me my leg brace. Now if I can get Paul seen to asap, things will be looking much better.

I definitely notice a difference when I sleep with the BiPap, even without the humidifier, which is kaput. It's not a huge change, but it takes the edge off the exhaustion.
 
After the week I've just had, there seems to be an even bigger price to pay thanks to ALS / MND whatever you want to call it.
A Price with no tag but worth more than any of us can afford.
As a relative it has to be watching the pain and suffering that dad was PROMISED would never come "cause it can be controlled nearer the time". Along with the indignity of it all, which again comes in the form of a promise that will be forfilled "when we get to that point......"
WELL HERE WE ARE ! , He is at that point NOW. What price do I have to Pay our NHS or even private health care, to come up trumps with their promises.....Truth is they can't
He wafts in and out of consciousness cause they cant get the dose right . Fights constantly with the new catheter and Syringe driver entry point etc, due to the final days / weeks of agitation that is so common towards the end. We are constantly fobbed off with the excuse that if it was cancer they could predict what drugs to give him. For crying out loud hes not asking to be bumped off, just sleepy enough to not know about all the indignity of having everything on display 3 x a day and to be kept out of pain.
As for weekends forget it !
They all go home ... lol
From two very very shattered and exhausted carers, (son and step mum ) I'll even go out busking in my underwear if i had to if money was all it boils down too
 
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