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A question about the next neurology appointment

I essentially have three options

1) NCS/EMG at my current hospital through my Neuromuscular specialist
2) NCS/EMG with consult with the first Neurologist to give me an NCS and Sympathetic Skin Response test
3) Do nothing

My recent appointment with the neuromuscular specialist was extremely disappointing.

She'd done a history and exam, noted weakness and atrophy and ordered a Qualitative Sensory Test (QST) and sfEMG at my first appointment early last year. The sfEMG was normal. The QST very much abnormal. I'd had a mostly normal EMG, a normal NCS and a mildly abnormal Sympathetic Skin Response (SSR) a few months prior. At the followup, there was no real clarification of the QST results, nor why she'd ordered it. I made no further inquiries or appointments. As way of background, I've also had a full spinal MRI as well as MRIs of both hands. No obvious mechanical abnormalities were noted.

Fast forward, my hands still have problems. My GP is concerned about the changes. My Rhuemy commenting how the atrophy is so focal. The main location is in the thenar eminence area on both hands. It used to be worse on the left hand, it's now more advanced on the right. I'm left hand dominant. There's some loss of function, but the most irritating aspect is the constant aching in the same general region along with a fair amount of weakness.

Back to today

I no longer care what the cause might be. I've won enough diagnosis in the last three years that I get to live with and be treated for in perpetuity. I just want help with the things I can't manage on my own.

The NM specialist left me adrift. She made some failed attempts at empathising with my autoimmune issues that were completely off base. Didn't manage to clearly explain why she'd ordered the QST in the first place, much less the results. Proceeded to do a cursory exam stating there was nothing neurological she could see and then ordered another NCS/EMG. She'd previously noted weakness, atrophy and reflex issues and even mentioned those issues again in her dictation at the end of my recent appointment.

I challenged her on the need for the EMG if she thought there were no apparent neurological issues. I'd rather avoid procedures if there's no justification. I already get to visit doctors multiple times a month and have IV infusions just about as frequently. She said it would be a good idea, but it was obviously my choice.

So, to the questions.

My GP has written a referral for an NCS/EMG to the neurologist who did the first NCS with the sympathetic skin response test and had suggested a QST as a possible follow up. The NM specialist referred me to the neurophysiology department at the hospital I attend for most of my other treatments for a similar workup to be followed up with her.

One very large part of me doesn't want to do either. The doctors that are actively involved in my treatment are at stumps. I honestly don't think another NCS/EMG will show anything new or relevant. I also don't think there is anything particularly sinister in play. Just some slowly developing and very distracting problems.

I know none of this is directly related to ALS or MND other than an early differential assessment for anterior horn cell disease. I just needed a safe place to rant and spell out my thinking for myself.
 
It sounds like you have reason to vent. personally I would see a different neuro. A second opinion kind of thing. I can understand about all the tests and the redundancy of it all. But the way the neuro I see now told me that ncv/emgs are performed differently by each dr. Just food for thought.

I ended up having a muscle biop spy to find my answers. Everyone is different in how much they are willing to put up with. I wish you peace and vent away. We will listen.
 
Sorry...went to mod.
 
How frustrating for you! I hope you get it figured out soon!
 
Thanks for the sentiments Guys. Regrettably, I doubt this is going to get figured out anytime soon. I've decided to have the EMG done at the hospital where I've had the majority of my tests and procedures done but go back to the earlier Neurologist for a second opinion and hopefully some clarification of the QST and other test results. So most likely another few months to begin closing some topics. Btw, the EMG is scheduled in ~10 days pending my confirmation.

Vicki,

My GP has suggested Mito as a possible direction to pursue, depending on how things progress. I'll let you guys know if there's anything new to share.
 
I will have my fingers and toes crossed for you. I hope you get some answers. Hugs.
 
I had the NCS/EMG today. The focus was clearly on the hands. The NCS was on both side looking at each individual finger, thumb, then up the arms. The EMG was on the left side only where he thought the atrophy and weakness were worse. He did the thenar eminence and first dorsal interosseous, two locations on the forearm, the bicep and tricep. He seemed slightly ambivalent about the results.

Surprisingly, the EMG itself was not that bad, not nearly as painful as the first one. NCS's are nothing if not fun to watch. Just about 60 minutes in total for the exam. All in all, I liked the way he handled the session. If there was anything to learn from this type of testing, I'm confident it's in the data he collected. The follow up with the neurologist I don't like is in just under two weeks.
 
I wonder why that is ? I guess it depends on who is giving the test and how deep they insert the needles as to how painful it is. My first 2 emgs weren't bad (given by same dr ) but my third one was very uncomfortable(given by different dr). I hope you you get some answers. Hugs.
 
He said he used particularly small needles :p

I also recently began on oxycontin prescribed by my pain management Dr. It might have helped as well. Fwiw, the sfEMG I had done in the same hospital was also relatively pain free. It was the one done in a private consult that hurt like all get out, wasn't gentle at all. Of course, that one included deep probes in the thighs.
 
I am surprised they let you take the oxycontin. I was told no pain meds or lotions on the skin 24 hours prior to the test. Also no caffeine . Hmmm. Yes I had them poking in the inner thigh near the groin. Oh my that hurt. The rest I could tolerate but that made me cry. I have to have another emg/nvc on my feet in oct.
 
I've just had a look at the instructions I received. Nothing was mentioned about stopping pain meds nor laying off coffee. I'm also fairly sure I mentioned my meds to the Neurologist performing the test.
 
Wow, wonder why mine was different. I guess different drs different instruction. I have my fingers and toes crossed for you.
 
I can't comment from experience haven't had anything but standard office test. But I can say I feel for all you been through. Good luck to you.
Ps I don't like my neuro the gp sent me to either. In my opinion she rushed a basic neuro test.
 
first neuro did emg, nct and left room saying nothing, other than left arm weaker than right ordered mri, clean then office said she was done. went back to gp, then to hand surgeon who sent me back to neuro. this time she said, i suspect als, when asked why didn't she tell two months earlier her response was YOU DO REALIZE I AM VERY BUSY, MY RESPONSE GOODBY
 
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