Bibrachial amyotrophy. can develop into ALS

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Hi folks,
My husband was recently diagnossed with Bibrachial Amyotrophy.
The Doctor said it can develop into ALS. Does anyone's had the same type of diagnosed before?
 
Hi sorry you are dealing with this but I think it can also never turn to full blown ALS? Maybe there is someone lurking who can give personal testimony. I think there are 1 or 2 old threads with this mentioned if you do a search. I hope you have had ( or are getting) at least 2 neuromuscular opinions
 
According to my limited reading, Bibrachial Amyotrophy does not affect either the bulbar region or the respiratory functions and is limited to the arms. I also noticed that my readings didn't mention it being fatal, so maybe it is not a fatal disease(?)

Most of my readings considered Bibrachial Amyotrophy to be a disease separate from ALS, but some writers considered it to be related to ALS or a rare "variant" of ALS. But none of my readings said it could progress into ALS.

As Nikki suggests, get another opinion from a really smart neurologist who specializes in MND.
 
I'm very sorry for the news you guys just received. My Dad was diagnosed 3 years ago with Bibrachial. It started in the left hand and over the course of a year, he lost complete use of his left hand/arm. Then it only took six months to take the other. It then moved to his chest, skipping his bulbar area. Then it attacked his neck. Now it's working on his legs and it has become unsafe for him to try to walk. As this disease has progressed, it seems in his case, it I in is "picking up momentum ". Each person progresses at a different rate. In the end, it is all the same. The name given to the diagnosis basically refers to where it started. This is not an easy disease to predict. The best advise I would give someone or a loved one is to be proactive and be prepared for things before, rather than waiting until the day something is needed. Sad you have to be here, but welcome, we all understand:)
 
I wish I had read the replies before I posted the last response. It does affect breathing, it can affect the bulbar region and it does turn into full blown ALS. My Dad is completely dependent on the Trilogy, witch is a C-pap machine that can also be used as a ventilator. I too had a hard time gathering information about Bibrachial. The term "man in a barrel" is used to describe this form.
 
Rn are you sure your dad is on C-pap rather than bipap?
 
Hi RN did they tell you it always progresses to ALS as it sadly has for your dad? I thought there was a chance that it might not as I said above. That it is wait and see?
 
His ALS specialist said it would develop into traditional ALS. In general, Bibrachial typically takes longer to get to that stage, but in his case, he wasn't as fortunate. He does not require oxygen at this point, but can not breathe effectively without the help of the CPap. He can barely move air on his own, the CPap is just assisting by providing the pressure and tidal volume. At some point, I know that will change soon:(
 
>As Nikki suggests, get another opinion from a really smart neurologist who specializes in MND.

Ditto that!
 
CPap is dangerous for PALS ... just sayin
 
"Bibrachial amyotrophy" by definition is disease in only the two arms, at the moment. It's like saying "only the arms are wasting right now." "Man in the barrel," an older label, is for the thin (atrophied) arms, as if they had been squished by a narrow barrel. You may also hear "brachial diplegia." These are all the same thing. Problem is, it may not stay an accurate description.

These terms are used sometimes when there are no UMN signs and so the doc hesitates to say ALS definitively, mindful of the formal criteria. However, the EMG will show the acute and chronic denervation and discharges characteristic of ALS. On the other hand, some patients stay at BBA, and this is more likely if all the regions apart from the arms were normal on the EMG. You can look at the report, Bronx, to see if this is the case.

So it might not progress to ALS -- but if a new region is affected, "BBA" becomes the "flail arm subtype" of ALS, which is what Larry had. In his case, he had no UMN signs but was diagnosed w/ ALS anyway (and I should note, he did have EMG signs of ALS in his legs as well as arms).

The FA subtype, in turn, may not affect other regions in the sequence or timing that is more common in "regular" ALS, and survival tends to be a little longer (median 59 months in one study), but it is still invariably fatal like all ALS.

RN, you may be confused about the Trilogy -- most PALS do not require nor benefit from supplemental oxygen. But your dad's machine is almost certainly being used as a BiPAP, not a CPAP (check the settings and see that IPAP > EPAP). If not, you should have those settings changed or do it yourself.

Bronx, I'm sorry for your news. As with any MND, I would seek a second opinion. But don't be surprised or discouraged if you hear "ALS" from the second doc, esp. if the EMG shows signs beyond the arms, because at some clinics, they want patients to be eligible for SSDI, services and such sooner rather than later. I'd assume for the moment that ALS is a real possibility and plan life accordingly. And we'll support you however we can, either way.

--Laurie
 
>As with any MND, I would seek a second opinion.

Ditto that!
 

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Thank you all.
Just dont know how to deal with this terrible disease.
We have had a second opinion. Do you think we should seek out for a third opinion?
I mention to my husband maybe we should seek some counseling. We have 2 small children and he's been getting very frustrated with them.
What should I do? I dont want him to fall into depression.
Also my sister in law says that we should go to see treatment to a hospital in Boston Ma. Its call Brigham hospital. They claim to be the" best hospital" in the USA. Have you heard of this hospital. ?
Mind you that we are in the bronx. We will have to drive 3 1/2 hrs. Each way.
 
Please advise me on how to be proactive.? Am in complete desolation.
 
I am really sorry. Have your two opinions been with neuromuscular specialists ( not general neurologists) and did they agree? If both are not true then yes I think you need another opinion. This is just too important. But if you have seen 2 neuromuscular specialists and believe that you are in good hands it is up to you. Brigham and Women's is a fine hospital and they have fine neuromuscular doctors. The place that people come to from all over though is their sister hospital Mass General. But there are really superb doctors in New York City.

Start to read and learn I think. You might read the stickies but don't get overwhelmed as you don't know what is going to happen. Good luck please ask things as they occur to you
 
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