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brayden722

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I recently joined this group about a week ago. I have been reading the posts and have finally found some common ground with others. I want to thank each and every one of you that post. Your stories, knowledge, and encouragement mean more to people with these diseases than you will ever know.

I was diagnosed with PLS in 2007. I have two custom made afo's on each leg to help me walk and stay somewhat active. I have a neuro appt tomorrow but want to hear from others if they have gone thru the same progression that I am going thru. So far, my spasms and pain have been isolated from my knees down. Recently, I have experienced lower back and now hip pain. It is hard to walk sometimes at its most painful level. I have also experienced arm and shoulder spasms. Has anyone gone thru this progression or heard of anyone else that has? I am a little nervous about tomorrow. I could really use your input.

Thank you all again.

Brayden
 
Welcome to the group Brayden! So glad you have found this place. Lots of people here that are helpful and really understanding. I am rather new to all this too but after doing some research and talking to the other people here with PLS diagnosis, I have come to the conclusion that it seems that pls progression/symptoms can vary from person to person but overall the symptoms seem to be very common in us all. It sounds like you are in a progressing state of time. There are times of remissions too.

One of the people from this site gave some wise council by saying that she did not get worked up about new changes but rather delt with them for 6 weeks and if they remained then thought about how to cope with them for the long term (paraphazed by me but said by Beky). So try not to be nervous about your appointment but look at it as a learning tool. Not sure if your neuro doc is a specialist in this sort of thing or not but it seems that the majority of docs have never seen or heard of anyone else treating such cases as pls. So they are learning too.

I progressed from the right to left, starting with my right foot/leg, then to my right hand/arm then left hip/leg/foot and left hand, back, both shoulders and throat/neck/tongue (the last three being the most recent progression) and I still haven't been able to get a diagnosed from any doc because they all do not feel qualified to make it official because they have never seen it before! But this is a whole different story for another time!

I hope your appointment goes well.
 
Thank you, Joyce for your input and advice. I was actually diagnosed by a neuromuscular specialist who had patients with pls and hsp. Another neurologist who I had seen before her, suspected it was that but did not want to put a "for sure" label on it until she did.

I try to stay as positive as I can by using my warped sense of humor I inherited from my mother (God rest her soul). That is my coping mechanism.

Thank you again for your words of wisdom and encouragement.
 
hi brayden.
hip and back pain are common symptoms in pls,this is due to weakness from the spasticity in the legs,posture and walking stratergies.
myself and beky who are long term pls'ers have weak hips.
shoulder pain is also common from spasticity in the arms.
a few years ago i had severe arm spasticity that resulted in shoulder contractions,honestly my arms were stuck to my sides and i could not reach for anything..............since then i have chronic pain in my shoulders everyday.

spasticity can put a lot of pressure on joints,hip girdle and shoulder girdle.
i might add my knees get weak and give out sometimes.

hope your appointment goes well today.
take care........caroline
 
Hi Caroline,

Thanks for responding to my thread. I just came back from the neuro and he said that there is a progression to the hip area and the legs did get weaker. He now prescribed baclofen along with my two other muscle relaxers I am already taking.

I believe I read in your other posts that you use a wheelchair when needed. Did you have the same progression as I am going thru now or was your's different? The reason I ask is that with the hip pains, it makes it difficult to walk. The afo's helped for about a year, and still do, but when I have the sharp pains in my hips, I limp even more and is painful to walk.

Thanks again for your insight. I hope to hear from you soon. Take care.

Brayden
 
hi brayden.
to be honest i have never had a lot of pain in the hips just my back,i feel more weakness than pain in my hips.
before i was told my hips had weakend people used to ask if i had a bad right hip which is by the way the weakest,it must have been obvious to others.
i would say my first 2yrs were extremely bad with spasms,clonus and myoclonus...........after about another 5yrs weakness became more of a problem and is steadily getting worse.
for a few years now my cognitive function has been declining,faster over the past year and i now know it needs to be investigated.
i dont get out very ofton so dont really use chair that much,use stick round house.
if you do go out alot and your finding walking too much and painfull then it maybe you need a wheelchair,you dont need to use it all the time but its handy having it there for when its needed.
if you are starting baclofen then seek medical advice about the other muscle relaxers you are taking..........all 3 may be too much.
baclofen works well on its own once you get to the right dosage for you.
too much muscle relaxers weaken the muscles even more over time.

anything else just ask.
take care.caroline
 
Hi Caroline,

Thanks for the information. I just had all day testing done due to my short term memory lapses. They concluded that the fatigue from the disease causes the lapses in your cognitive abilities. Therefore, the more fatigued you become, the worse your memory or thought process becomes.

The neuro did tell me that if I felt better by taking the baclofen, he was going to slowly take me off the other muscle relaxers. The problems now that I am having spasms all the time that don't allow me to sleep at night and I become even more fatigued during the day.

Thanks again for all your time and input to my concerns and questions. You have been a great help.

Brayden
 
Brayden I can understand about the sleep thing. Spasms and pain keep me from sleeping too. I just started baclofen a couple weeks ago and it helps me sleep a little better but it doesn't help with the pain. I do hope it works for you.
 
I had a similar spasm-borne insomnia. I went 14 years without a decent night of sleep. My current neurologist gave me Zanaflex/Tizanidine (alternative or taken with baclofen), and though I hate it during the day, I now sleep at night for real sometimes and it makes all the difference.

I also take Provigil (modafanil) in the morning to help with the remaining fatigue, and now I have some good days or even weeks with real energy to do things.

As for progression, I am a bad person to judge by. I was having a nice, normal course of Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia with just a little hand involvement and jaw spasticity, when about 15 years later the disease suddenly decided I would look better as a quadriplegic! It then shot into overdrive mode and knocked me down from a very independent manual wheelchair outdoorsman to a power wheelchair user who can't swallow much or talk too long. But I feel less alone when I read about others, so I will share mine:

1994 - only noticed symptoms in retrospect, but couldn't kick properly in martials arts, only low kicks, or high jump, loved athletics but generally uncoordinated at them

1995 - had a car acccident, very mild, but over the weeks and months that followed, crushing back pain kicked in; was diagnosed with "spastic pain syndrome", and did PT and the whole lot. I don't think the accident gave me my UMND, but it certainly woke a mostly sleeping dragon! This is what I call my onset, at age 14.

1995-1999 - Lots of back pain, myoclonus, and the reverse of foot drop - couldn't push off ball of foot, used a cane on and off, progressive leg weakness and spasticity. I used a cane on bad days, traded my backpack for rolling luggage (not at all cool looking in highschool, if you're wondering!), etc. Spasm/pain brough on insomnia, as I said, and I abused aspirin like only a stupid teen can - 1 every 45 minutes, all day, to get through school. Ran straight A's and A+'s, but missed 3 months my freshman year, made just enough days for sophmore and junior, and only made 140ish days in my senior year. They threatened to deny me graduation for lack of attendance, but mom pointed out that I had already taken the majority of their college level classes, so what precisely would they do with me? They acceded and made an exception. I had my breasts surgically reduced from H-cup to C/D-cup to try and relieve back pain, but it didn't work.

At this point, I was on the verge of suicidal from the pain, the difficulty, and not being at all understood. It is hard to have severe pain taken seriously as a teen. My brain broke - mild disassociative fugue. I disappeared the week before I graduated high school and woke up the next March. I can't say with authority what happened during this time, but I apparently flunked a semester of college and made a lot of new friends. They were great, very accepting when my personality changed (back to me) overnight.

2000 (post March) - 2003 Insidious progression, only obvious in hindsight. My legs got weaker, hips go worse, etc. By 2003 I was on crutches full time, and unable to make the walk to the bus stop or from place to place at work most days. 2003 was my last year working at the IRS, they had already transferred me to a physically less demanding department, and that wasn't working.

2004-2005 (summmer) This was a bad time. I lost the ability to climb stairs at all, and then to stand with crutches even long enough to cook a quick meal or take a shower, even with more advance forearm crutches. I bought a shower chair, my first honest admission of being disabled, and sometime in the summer of 2005 a wheelchair for using outside the house.

2005 (summer) - 2009 (summer) Great years! After getting my wheelchair, I could feed myself again, go places, and get stuff done. Once I started using it full time, my back pain eased considerably, though I didn't know why at the time (it was caused by my poor walking). I consulted the internet and discovered a world of wheelchair tricks, and then proceeded to bust that wheelchair learning to do them. The wheelchair made other people take me more seriously, and they helped me with medical costs to get source hunted down. After establishing it was not a rheumatologist thing, but a neurologist thing, we had to prioritize between a new set of $200 appointments and new expensive tests, or a not busted wheelchair. The choice was obvious to me! I bought the cheapest rigid wheelchair, and two months later was sitting atop a mountain feeling like the the world was my oyster. (All that crutching was very good for my arm strength, heh.)

2006 was also the year my plateau (no meaningful progression) started. I plateaud from 2006 to 2008, and completely re-engaged life as a highly skilled paraplegic. I got married, cared for a newborn, learned to hike, etc. The only "progression" was some hand/arm trouble during the winter that faded in the early spring.

2009 Spring came, but this time my hands didn't get better.

In fact, by July when I was diagnosed with Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia, they still weren't better. I knew that might happen one day, I had done my research and was ready. I bought a slew of items, from grippy wheelchair rims to handles for my cookware. HSP as a diagnosis meant I must be almost done progressing, and we all celebrated.

Unfortunately, as I said, the disease felt I would make a lovely quadriplegic. Just a few months later, I started to sag when I sit up, and I couldn't hold my head up for long. That started in the end of October and I was bedridden by December. I was hoping it was temporary, but that wasn't how it went. My swallow started going that winter, and then my voice this past spring. I was stuck in bed until March, when the ALS Association was persuaded to loan me a wheelchair, and it has been quite a learning experience since! I am still progressing very actively, losing foods I can eat each week and a point or so of arm strength every month or two.

I am really, really hoping to plateau again soon. This is quite enough progression for a year!
 
Hi Beky,

Thank you so much for your history and background on your trials and tribulations with your disease. I am so sorry that you have had to go thru what you have but I can tell you have a strong will and great attitude! I admire you for that. Please keep in touch as I really feel like a member of a family here. I have been going on for years trying to explain this terrible disease to family and friends. I always get the "you look great. I wouldn't think you had a disease" as I struggle to stand and have a smiling face. I think all of you know what I mean.

Question for all: Has any one gone to the SPS get together? I believe it was in California this year. If so, what did you think about it? Just curious.

Caroline, do you believe that since you were athletic, that it has helped you with the disease or hampered it due to all the years of strain on your body?

Thanks again everyone. I really do appreciate your knowledge and input. It is helping me a great deal. Thank you.

By the way, where is Rose?

Brayden
 
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