Amalgam/mercury and ALS - I am sure of a correlation

[LaurentCH]

Sorry to bother you again with my second post on this in the recent days. Sorry for my bad english, I am swiss and did not use my English for quite a while. I have now done quite a lot of research on the correlation between mercury/amalgam-fillings and ALS. There are many medical workers and researchers (mainly from the naturalmedicine side) who are convinced that these fillings are responsable for deseases like ALS, MS, Parkinson and Alzheimer. It seems proofen that active people doing a lot of sport collect the mercury in their brain and nerves because the muscles are used all the time. And it is also a fact that pesticides, insecticides and herbicides (also vaccins) also contain mercury. I wonder how many of you who have a MND really have amalgam-fillings in your mouth and how many ot them you have. I think this should really be worth a deeper research by ALS-researchers. What I have read also says that it does not really help to replace the fillings as the toxic that is already in your body doesn't leave the brain and nervesystem once it is there. I know, this topic has been discussed here several times, but never it has come to a real conclusion. The fillings are also used since 190 years. Not sure, but that is when the first ALS-cases have been reported....Anyone can relate to this? I appreciate your comments!
Laurent (not diagnosed with ALS but have a lot of neurological muscle problems, most probably BFS so far and a skin desease called Vitiligo that is also related to Amalgam by several reputated Dermatologists). Thanks for your attention.

 

[LaurentCH]

if someone understands german, this is an interesting link to this subject:

 

[Al]

Sorry Laurent but I'm not going to allow a link for something that I have no idea what it says. The reason no one drew a conclusion is that there is none. You think one way, I think another. There is no conclusive evidence either way.

AL.

 

[wright]

There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that mercury is the cause of ALS . . . NONE. I'm not sure what "research" you are reading and quoting and interpreting, but it just doesn't exist. If anyone says they KNOW what causes ALS, they are a FOOL, because no one knows what causes ALS. There are many theories (mercury by the way, IS NOT a leading theory) but once again they are only theories and no reputable researcher would ever say anything more than that. Enough with the nonsensical speculation, because it does nothing but put more CRAP on the internet . . . and believe me . . . there is a ton of crap on the internet.

 

[LaurentCH]

thanks for your answers! you are right, there is a lit of crap in the web, being a journalist i am confronted with this daily. the german (seems very reputated) amalgam-researcher i am referring to is called prof. dr. dieter klinghardt. not sure if he just tells crap, seems very logical to me (which of course means nothing). maybe wright you want to have a look into his theory.

 

[thelma313]

LaurentCH, I suspect that there are a lot of toxins and chemicals and substances out there that contribute to causing dieseases such as ALS. I have heard that many reputable military vets are convinced the anthrax vaccine gave them ALS. My Dad is convinced that the drug Lipitor did this to him. I personally don't believe in absolutes. For instance cigarette smoking can lead to lung cancer but does every single smoker get lung cancer? No. However a lot more research has been done in the causes for cancer than ALS simply because many more people get cancer and finding a cure would be hugely profitable. I guess my point is that until we know for sure what causes ALS, we can speculate about all sorts of things. I suspect it's not just one thing.

 

[BethU]

Laurent ... you are going about "prooving" the connection between mercury and ALS the wrong way. Presumably the more mercury one is exposed to, the more likely would be your chance of developing ALS.

1) Instead of trying to figure out if dental patients developed ALS as a result of their fillings, you should look at the incidence of ALS in dentists, who have many times the magnitude of exposure as their patients ... in addition to the amalgam fillings in their own mouths.

2) Also, please investigate the incidence of ALS in people exposed to huge amounts of mercury poisoning, such as the poor people in Minamata, Japan. Their ALS incidence should be sky-high among those who did not die immediately. It should be very easy for a journalist to come up with the numbers of ALS patients among the initial survivors of the exposure.

The following is from Wikipedia.

Minamata disease (水俣病, Minamata-byō?), sometimes referred to as Chisso-Minamata disease (チッソ水俣病, Chisso-Minamata-byō?), is a neurological syndrome caused by severe mercury poisoning. Symptoms include ataxia, numbness in the hands and feet, general muscle weakness, narrowing of the field of vision and damage to hearing and speech. In extreme cases, insanity, paralysis, coma and death follow within weeks of the onset of symptoms. A congenital form of the disease can also affect fetuses in the womb.

Minamata disease was first discovered in Minamata city in Kumamoto prefecture, Japan in 1956. It was caused by the release of methyl mercury in the industrial wastewater from the Chisso Corporation's chemical factory, which continued from 1932 to 1968. This highly toxic chemical bioaccumulated in shellfish and fish in Minamata Bay and the Shiranui Sea, which when eaten by the local populace resulted in mercury poisoning. While cat, dog, pig and human deaths continued over more than 30 years, the government and company did little to prevent the pollution.

As of March 2001, 2,265 victims had been officially recognised (1,784 of whom had died)[1] and over 10,000 had received financial compensation from Chisso.[2] Lawsuits and claims for compensation continue to this day.

There should be an enormous collection of statistics in the public record from all the lawsuits. The exposure, starting 70 years ago and continuing through 1968, would allow plenty of time for ALS to develop in the population that received less than a lethal dose of mercury. If there is a connection between mercury and ALS is would HAVE to show up in this population.

 

[LaurentCH]

dear beth
i agree but only partially...there is a strong connection between activity/sport and ALS. As I understood my MND-specialists this is even one of the main theories, combined with toxins. The researcher I was referring to proofed (that is a fact) that radioactive amalgam (radioactivity was only to allow to follow the path of the mercury in the body) in active mice and rats directly went into the brain and the nervesystem. There it has an influence on the glutamate and causes dna- (SOD1/catalase) and nerve-damage. I don't have a scientific knowledge but this combined with sports seems to me a very logical explanation why this could cause ALS. Of course there might be other toxics and other causes but I was quite surprised when I read all this. Of course it doesn't necessarly have an impact on the nerve system. As I said, I could be wrong, but I really wonder if all this could be true. Doing a research on the dentists side would be very interesting indeed.

 

[jimmybob]

there are countless "theories" as to what causes ALS, but none have been proven. When research proves, conclusively, what causes ALS, then we will find a treatment or cure. Until then, it's all speculation.

 

[LaurentCH]

the more i read, the more i do research the more correlation i find between als and amalgam/mercury-fillings in teeth. there are extremly many studys saying IT CAN CAUSE als but i did not find a single one, that says these fillings do NOT cause als.....it seems that also dentists have a significant higher rate of neurological diseases....i am worried now that my symptoms may be a slow onset of als as i have plenty of this crap in my mouth and because i am doing daily sports (also football).

 

[wright]

You are a self-professed JOURNALIST trying to research something medical. Are you kidding me? You obviously don't have the knowledge or understanding needed to do such a thing because you keep saying that you are convinced that mercury causes ALS and there is no way that conclusion could be made based on peer-reviewed, scientific literature (reputable scientific literature). Just because you can read doesn't mean you understand what you're reading.

FOR THE LAST TIME (why do I have a feeling this isn't the last time): there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that mercury causes ALS. Stop trying to make conclusions about things you are not even close to being qualified to make.

Your nonsensical rhetoric does nothing more than scare those people who are already scared. ENOUGH!

 

[dldred]

I would be nice if the answer for this nasty disease was that easy, but I have my doubts. It is nice to voice your opinion, but the people on these boards have heard every kind of story about what causes this disease. I don't think we will pay much attention until someday when we are watching TV or listening to the radio there is a breaking news update on a cause and/or cure for this. That is just my opinion.

Dana

PS (thanks Wright for saying what a lot of people were thinking)

 

[LaurentCH]

thanks for being clear wright - i already have promised you once not to come back for the emg questions, and i didn't;-) no, there is no evidence that amalgam-fillings cause als...but this does not mean, that these theories are untrue...i have asked my mnd-specialist about it. he says him and his boss who worked with the als-researcher eisen for 3 years don't think there is a connection. he supports what you are saying wright. but he also says that they haven't done a study on it so far, so they cannot rule out the possibility either.

 

[ZenArcher]

The "they haven't ruled it out" argument holds no merit whatsoever. They also haven't ruled out sex, sleeping, blinking, breathing, eating, fast food, sun exposure or watching TV. Does that mean that all those are suspect?

 

[Al]

My God Jeff, Don't feed the trolls.

AL.