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ccordone

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Has anyone ever had enough and was unable to do it anymore? I have a 12 year old son that helps me, but i care for my husband most of the time. Was wondering if anyone has put there spouse in a nursing home?

my husband is unable to do anything for himself. I have help when I am at work but each day is getting tougher and tougher. I have no family support. My husband parent live 1500 miles away.

My husband is in great pain and take methadone, but doesn't want anything else or any more. He can yell and scream from pain. There is no reasoning with him.

Thanks for your information
 
Has he been to a pain management specialist? Pain is horrible. I experience disabling pain in my back that seems to come and go. I can still walk but the back pain makes it much harder. Now I have pain in my legs and feet. Medical marijuana might help but he should see a pain management specialist.

Most nursing homes are not good with ALS. I understand your not being able to do it. Can you hire more help at home or get hospice involved?
 
Yes people do and we have a lovely member, Paul, I forget his username that has his partner in a nursing home.

He still spends a huge amount of hours there with his PALS, but a big difference is that he spends it with his PALS, not simply doing everything for his PALS.

I know that you deal with a lot of behavioural issues and you do have a child to support, who also has valid needs.

May I suggest you start really researching what is available in your area so you can make an informed decision on your choices?
 
Many people in today's health industry simply assume that if nursing shift care is needed, then a nursing home is the only solution, when in fact it may be more economical and better for a PALS if the nursing is provided at home. This is something you should research very thoroughly, because the answers aren't going to come easily. I am going to separately email you the contact information of a New York attorney whose father is living with ALS. Perhaps she will be able to help you evaluate your options. Be prepared to send her a full copy of your health policy/plan.
 
I'm not an expert on ALS pain. My mom has not experienced any. I spend 20-30 minutes every night stretching her and we both feel like it makes a huge difference in her comfort. I know the last thing you need is more to do.... but if you're looking for another solution before resorting to the nursing home, it may be worth a try.

In case you want to give it a shot, the primary stretches we do are:
1. Lay your PALS in his back and bring both knees up to the chest and rock them from side to side. This stretches the lower back.
2. Raise the arms as far up over the head as comfortable. Repeat several times.
3. Shoulder circles
4. Cradle the head in your hands and gently turn it from left to right
5. Gentle Spinal twists feel good if you can get the logistics down.

Is your husband on hospice? Hospices services should have respite care facilities where your husband could go for a few days every once in a while to give you a break. This might be a welcome compromise between full time home care and full time nursing home.
 
My observations over the pasts few years have led me to feel that the more spasticity involved in the ALS (there is a lot of UMN involvement), the more pain they experience and the harder it is to do stretching (tho very important to do stretching and ROM).

If you are not confident it really helps to have a PT teach you, and get lots of feedback from your PALS as to how far you can stretch or move a joint.
 
Hi ccordone, Paul chiming in here. My partner is in long term care, has been for over a year and a half. We have similar situations in being primary caregivers with little or no help and PALS with pain issues.
Long term care or not? That's a tough question. I didn't have much of a choice. It was unsafe for my PALS to be at home alone while I was at work and he was afraid being there with out me so the decision to go was his. Full time home care while I was at work was too expensive.
The adjustment period was awful for both of us. No one really wants to go into institutional care.
At first it was okay, mostly positive. He could still talk and had use of his hands so he could do some personal hygiene and feed himself. No one there had any experience with ALS so lots of teaching.
As he has progressed to total care, things are still mostly positive but only because I'm there so much, 40 + hours a week. There are 5 PSW's and 1 nurse providing care to 49 residents. Over an 8 hour shift that doesn't leave a lot of one on one time and he requires 2 people to work with him.
I take care of toileting, feeding, bathing, ROM exercises etc. i don't have to worry about laundry, meal prep, that kind of thing so I can concentrate solely on his comfort.
He is safe and there are some truly wonderful people there trying their best to look out for him but there have been problems. Putting him to bed with out his BiPAP, breaking his wheelchair, losing parts of his breathing mask and the list goes on. Although there is a lot of consistency with care, there is also a lot of times he has people who have no familiarity with him, his routine or any understanding of his disease.
He is 2 decades younger than most of the other residents so socialization and activities have been a problem. Because he has specific needs, text to talk machine, no one has time to actually practice with him.
In the broadest sense, he is taken care of. If I'm sick or get stuck at work, I don't worry he won't be looked after. As a person with specific needs no, it's not possible, they don't have the time. That's were I come in and fill the gap.
For me, it works. I have no commitments other than work and him. My house is a disaster, don't care. Grown a beard so I can sleep 5 more minutes and not shave. I can't imagine trying to throw in taking care of a child. I can't say it's easier but my focus is him rather than him and everything else.
For an ALS patient, look at the resident to PSW ratio, the lower it is the better.
For pain management, lots of things over the years. Try to identify the type of pain. My PALS has 3, muscle pain from spasticity, joint pain from lack of movement and nerve pain. Currently he is taking hydromorphone extended release, dilaudid and Lyrica. Medical cannabis was also very effective. he's also been on the max dosage of baclofen to help with the spasticity
As has been previously mentioned, ROM exercises have been very effective in helping provide pain relief.
I can't think of anything else, feel free to post any questions you have or PM me if you like
 
The Nursing home has been a lifesaver for a friend of mine and her husband. She was staying home full time to care for him, but he has reached a state where she needed to choose 24/7 help or nursing home. In their case with his VA benefits and other considerations it was the nursing home that worked best. It took some searching, I know they visited many long term care centers among the ones they had to choose from but they both feel less isolated and I think after three years or so of major care, my friend was just worn out. Now they spend time together every day/evening at the nursing home and they even allow her to bring their little dog for visits.

I know people freak out a little when they hear "Nursing home", but it really is a better option for some situations. Hearing what my friend was going through trying to care for her husband was heartbreaking. Now she can at least spend time with her husband without worrying about heavy physical cares and no sleep and how to leave the house to go get groceries when someone else can't come over to help her husband. Home care in their case would have cost the same and continued to drain her.
 
My advice is to contact your local ALS chapter and see if they can help you sort out the help and support you need.
Even nurses in the hospital are so unfamiliar with ALS that I felt it necessary to stay with my PALS when she was admitted. The ALS chapter may be able to point you in the direction of the right kind of help. In addition, some counties have programs which supply services to people living at home because it is often less expensive than a facility.

Regarding his pain, we also used cannabis, but we live in California so we have all options available to us.

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